Ruby Thomas who kicked man to death jailed for.. 7 years

[Neversoft]

Wow, she's nineteen? Looks about 40 with a face like that.

[Johno]

What an absolute joke, it really saddens me that she only got seven years for taking someone's life. She'll be 26 when she gets out (providing she doesn't get out early, ha) and will still have the rest of her life.

[Jin]

I think it is ridiculous to blindly criticize the justice system without being fully aware of the facts...

This is a conviction of manslaughter, so yes there has been a homophobic assault and sadly a man did die from it but it is a step far from premeditated murder. There are people who are convicted of manslaughter for crashing their cars and killing someone.

Whilst I do agree that some sentences are a too lenient we can't go around giving long or life sentences here and there otherwise we will have to ask the Australians if we can have New South Wales back so we can use it as a penal colony again.

Our prisons are already hitting capacity which is why you see more and more suspended sentences and early releases.

Should we build more prisons so we can give longer sentences? If you reckon so then please tell me where the government should cut the money from education or healthcare?

7 years is a lot of time. No free contact with the outside world, only allowed 3 visitors in one week, very little personal possessions. Not to mention to have to deal with the psychological factors knowing you have killed a person and that society will refer to you as a murderer even if it wasn't your intention to kill in the first place.

[-:Undertaker:-]

I think it is ridiculous to blindly criticize the justice system without being fully aware of the facts...

This is a conviction of manslaughter, so yes there has been a homophobic assault and sadly a man did die from it but it is a step far from premeditated murder. There are people who are convicted of manslaughter for crashing their cars and killing someone.

A man died from it, a life was taken - whether or not it was premeditated doesn't make it that much more worse. It would be like saying, if I go to stab someone with a knife out of anger that I didn't expect them to die.

Whilst I do agree that some sentences are a too lenient we can't go around giving long or life sentences here and there otherwise we will have to ask the Australians if we can have New South Wales back so we can use it as a penal colony again.

Our prisons are already hitting capacity which is why you see more and more suspended sentences and early releases.

Or we could just build new prisons, there's plenty of land both in the countryside but as we do not want to build there we can simply build them in depopulated inner-city areas. Then ontop of that of course, there is the the idea of floating prisons which I find ridiculous as there is plenty of land left.

Although if land use really is an issue for you, I assume you would want immigration stopped completely?

Should we build more prisons so we can give longer sentences? If you reckon so then please tell me where the government should cut the money from education or healthcare?

Foreign aid alone is £11bn, direct payments to the European Union are £10bn/15bn - to name two prime examples. Then of course there is the massive public sector and all its quangos interferring where they are not needed.

This country in reality has plenty of money, just the government wastes it.

7 years is a lot of time. No free contact with the outside world, only allowed 3 visitors in one week, very little personal possessions. Not to mention to have to deal with the psychological factors knowing you have killed a person and that society will refer to you as a murderer even if it wasn't your intention to kill in the first place.

7 years is not a lot of time at all for taking the life of somebody. You have to remember these people are often scum, they do not think like you and me;- they do not value life nor do they value liberty. Prisons have drugs freely circulating, they are mostly comfortable with own clothes allowed, gyms, and televisions/xboxes and games.

[MrPinkPanther]

Although if land use really is an issue for you, I assume you would want immigration stopped completely

Oh god, now you've done it. Thanks a lot Jin.

[-:Undertaker:-]

Oh god, now you've done it. Thanks a lot Jin.

Well its true, a bigger population places more pressures on prisons, hospitals, schools and so on.

I don't want a blanket ban, but if its so much of an issue [space] then immigration is the number one issue.

[FlyingJesus]

This is a conviction of manslaughter, so yes there has been a homophobic assault and sadly a man did die from it but it is a step far from premeditated murder. There are people who are convicted of manslaughter for crashing their cars and killing someone.

Killing via a hot-blooded attack is still murder, not manslaughter. People who get manslaughter charges for car crashes do so because they (generally) didn't mean to kill anyone, they were just being reckless and fatally stupid. Stamping on someone's head is somewhat different, no matter how much you've drunk

[GommeInc]

Killing via a hot-blooded attack is still murder, not manslaughter. People who get manslaughter charges for car crashes do so because they (generally) didn't mean to kill anyone, they were just being reckless and fatally stupid. Stamping on someone's head is somewhat different, no matter how much you've drunk

Hmmm, debateable. If you're blind drunk then it's out of your control, but of course that in itself begs the question "why was she even drinking in public, and she did a pretty good job being completely drunk". In this case it seems like she wanted to attack the man, but finding out the border between intentionally wanting to kill the man or seriously injuring him makes the case all the more difficult to interpret. There seems to be evidence that she was "alive behind the eyes", seeing the images of her appearing in CCTV still images a few moments after the attack. There are so many contributing factors :/ Another one is the fact he died later in hospital, rather than immediately - not that it makes it anymore acceptable.