V6

[Recursion]

I heard it was coming on the 21st December 2012, Sierk himself told me.

[e5]

It's february 30th tbh...

[Pyroka]

V6 threads make me smile.

I'm only addressing a few things. Firstly, I think the fact of the matter is that Blob could shout out deadlines & such because he's good enough to work to them. A developer would not want to give a deadline without being truly confident he could meet it. If they kept Blob on & supported him like they do now with HotelUser (Now a Super Moderator, coincidentally), he would've been much more willing to work for Habbox. That's where Habbox fall down though, because personal disagreements are how staff members get fired, and just for bragging rights, I can say with pride that ClubHabbo no longer operates under such rules. Furthermore, why there has been only one sole developer on a massive project? Seems totally silly, with both Robbie and Blob departing from the Site developer ranks, was it they couldn't work with HotelUser, or was it HotelUser that couldn't work with them? Because I'm under the impression both Robbie & Blob worked well together. Call it **** stirring, but I call it thinking outside the box.

Secondly, if deadlines were made why have General Management been making their own deadlines, or should I say 'estimates'? Estimates & deadlines, in users eyes, are one of the same. I think the amount of threads made about the V6 'estimates' show that, there's no real denying that one.

And finally, I saw the namedrops of ClubHabbo and it raised my eyebrow. Privacy issues? Members have the option to like something, it's a choice. I haven't used it myself as I don't want that appearing on my personal Facebook profile, but privacy...? Companies like Facebook & Twitter have their own privacy settings in place, why does Habbox feel that they're not up to standard? I'm frazzled on that point, frazzled.

[HotelUser]

V6 threads make me smile.

I'm only addressing a few things. Firstly, I think the fact of the matter is that Blob could shout out deadlines & such because he's good enough to work to them. A developer would not want to give a deadline without being truly confident he could meet it. If they kept Blob on & supported him like they do now with HotelUser (Now a Super Moderator, coincidentally), he would've been much more willing to work for Habbox. That's where Habbox fall down though, because personal disagreements are how staff members get fired, and just for bragging rights, I can say with pride that ClubHabbo no longer operates under such rules. Furthermore, why there has been only one sole developer on a massive project? Seems totally silly, with both Robbie and Blob departing from the Site developer ranks, was it they couldn't work with HotelUser, or was it HotelUser that couldn't work with them? Because I'm under the impression both Robbie & Blob worked well together. Call it **** stirring, but I call it thinking outside the box.

Secondly, if deadlines were made why have General Management been making their own deadlines, or should I say 'estimates'? Estimates & deadlines, in users eyes, are one of the same. I think the amount of threads made about the V6 'estimates' show that, there's no real denying that one.

And finally, I saw the namedrops of ClubHabbo and it raised my eyebrow. Privacy issues? Members have the option to like something, it's a choice. I haven't used it myself as I don't want that appearing on my personal Facebook profile, but privacy...? Companies like Facebook & Twitter have their own privacy settings in place, why does Habbox feel that they're not up to standard? I'm frazzled on that point, frazzled.

I'm not sure why me being a moderator has absolutely anything to do with me being a coder. I've also been managing the Help Desk for over a year, and?

Moreover I worked and got along quite well with Ryan and Robbie (infact I still talk to Ryan and we get alone great - even talk about coding, share ideas and libraries with eachother and so forth).

Your accusations retaining to me are actually quite alarming. I never worked with Robbie or Ryan on the scale to which I think you're under the impression that I have. Site coders are given tasks by general management and we do them. Much like the graphics department. We don't collaborate on the same scripts and so the only times where what we do crosses paths with eachother is when one of us was ever asked to edit a script someone else created. I was given tasks to do for the site and I did them. As far as I'm aware those around me were given tasks and did not do them.

I'm also at a loss over what to say retaining to Ryan and the deadlines he foretold now, partly because that was before I was even involved here and partly because having been the only person coding the new website, I would never give precise dates for a release. The list of features is flexible and I don't think a lot of people realize that coding is not objective in the sense that there is one one clearcut way to accomplish anything and the scripts being created are to appease a great deal of people so adjustments and in some cases entire elements being recoded are not uncommon.

[Pyroka]

I'm not sure why me being a moderator has absolutely anything to do with me being a coder. I've also been managing the Help Desk for over a year, and?

Moreover I worked and got along quite well with Ryan and Robbie (infact I still talk to Ryan and we get alone great - even talk about coding, share ideas and libraries with eachother and so forth).

Your accusations retaining to me are actually quite alarming. I never worked with Robbie or Ryan on the scale to which I think you're under the impression that I have. Site coders are given tasks by general management and we do them. Much like the graphics department. We don't collaborate on the same scripts and so the only times where what we do crosses paths with eachother is when one of us was ever asked to edit a script someone else created. I was given tasks to do for the site and I did them. As far as I'm aware those around me were given tasks and did not do them.

I'm also at a loss over what to say retaining to Ryan and the deadlines he foretold now, partly because that was before I was even involved here and partly because having been the only person coding the new website, I would never give precise dates for a release. The list of features is flexible and I don't think a lot of people realize that coding is not objective in the sense that there is one one clearcut way to accomplish anything and the scripts being created are to appease a great deal of people so adjustments and in some cases entire elements being recoded are not uncommon.

Accusations? You must've skim-read my post. I was simply introducing the concept that something that differs from what General Management has said. An accusation & the exploring of a possibility simply aren't the same. As I said, Ryan must've been confident enough to say that he could do it at a certain time. But thank you for the reply regardless, cleared a few things up for everyone I'm sure.

[HotelUser]

Accusations? You must've skim-read my post. I was simply introducing the concept that something that differs from what General Management has said. An accusation & the exploring of a possibility simply aren't the same. As I said, Ryan must've been confident enough to say that he could do it at a certain time. But thank you for the reply regardless, cleared a few things up for everyone I'm sure.

Seems totally silly, with both Robbie and Blob departing from the Site developer ranks, was it they couldn't work with HotelUser, or was it HotelUser that couldn't work with them? Because I'm under the impression both Robbie & Blob worked well together. Call it **** stirring, but I call it thinking outside the box.

A clear accusation, and you're more than welcome

[Hayleigh]

At the end of the day version six comes when it comes . I for one am thankful to hoteluser as I know most people cannot code such as myself and the fact that he is working alone and making progress is really something which in my eyes we should applause him for . No he should not have to quit as a moderator or demote himself in hxhd if anyone wants to suggest this a habbox is a place for fun. David does this for us and if the site dosent reach deadline so what we still have a mostly functioning site in the mean time . Complaining won't speed anything up . I apologise for any errors as icant type on my iPod D:

[Jin]

Wow I actually applause you on your ignorance yet again pyroka must be awesome for you to live in your own little bubble, now I did write this as a long reply but the retro blue skin (which I have now disabled) has lost it so I will reply in bullet points.

• Blob had no right to make any claims on deadlines as it wasn't his job to do so. Let me explain it to you in a clubhabbo context so you can understand this. It would be like Clubhabbo DJ Blaze announcing to people that the radio is going to close down next week.
• Blob missed ever deadline from the Rare values system to whatever minor things he did for V6.
• Alkaz told me he had been badgering blob for over a week as he hadn't yet made changes to a design he had created nothing major just borders and background change. I step in to stop blob from being dismissed and asked blob when this would be done he told me 7pm that evening, effectively setting a deadline himself. I never received those changes, few days later your posted a nice thread on how we can make getting hacked easier and passed it off as feedback, funsies.
• As for supporting blob, lets see now, Blob wanted to work on his own, he wanted unrestricted access to all sites, he wanted to also manage the coding department (of which there wasnt one) and more importantly he kept going off spec as well as lacked common sense and intiative. So yeah I think it's understandable if I didn't encourage him in these matters. Secondly I intervened twice earlier stopping blob being dismissed by general management I think that is as supportive anyone can get.
• Robbie was given a task by hecktix and didnt complete it so yeah that is the problem there.
• You also can't have it both ways, in the grand scheme of things V6 is a tiny project, lets face it, it aint no google. Blob made a mock up by himself on a basic version so even your best buddy wanted to do it by himself.
• Facebook have been criticized frequently over their privacy but that isn't why we aren't using their api. All I did was pointed something on the CH homepage and said why we wouldn't do the same and for some reason you got your ovaries tangled over it. If you are offended or upset because of this I apologies I merely wanted to point out to people what is possible with facebook api and that we wouldn't be using it. The reason why we aren't using it is because Habbox's viewpoint is that users may be naive to their actions on the internet. Where as you seem to suggest a view that users are responsible for their actions and you have no duty to protect them. If you going to put something on you website don't get offended if somebody refers to it.

I prime example of going off spec,

In the rare values system it was stated in the spec that there should be a user management that supported usergroups that allowed admins to add and remove users from the panel. Somehow blob interpreted that as, "Make a database, write the two current managers usernames in the database create their password hash and whenever you want to change staff you can delete their name straight from the database, write a new php page which generates a new password based upon an algorithm and a supplied salt and then run a MySQL query to add these credentials into the user table."

HOW DOES THAT MAKE ANY ANY ANY SENSE IF YOU ARE DEVELOPING A SYSTEM!?!?!?! YEAH THE USERS CAN USE THIS PANEL TO UPDATE RARE VALUES BUT SHOULD THEY WANT TO PERFORM THE MENIAL TASK OF ADDING AND REMOVING USERS THEY MUST PISS ABOUT WITH PHP, FUNCTIONS AND MYSQL QUERIES!

[Calvin]

That quote says "we HOPE", it doesn't say "we ARE" so they didn't exactly say it's definitely coming in Summer. Everyone is arguing over one stupid little thing. You're relying on one person so don't expect them to stay up 24/7 coding Habbox version 6. Just wait till it's out, simple.

[Jin]

That quote says "we HOPE", it doesn't say "we ARE" so they didn't exactly say it's definitely coming in Summer. Everyone is arguing over one stupid little thing. You're relying on one person so don't expect them to stay up 24/7 coding Habbox version 6. Just wait till it's out, simple.

The summer thing was suppose to be a sandbox thing in my mind, just to see how the users reacted to the changes but then I thought if we were going to go to the effort of the changes in that announcement V6 wouldn't be much further. So I changed my mind over it.