Staff Returning

[Inseriousity.]

It's a rule of mine that if someone resigns and want to come back, they have to start from stratch again. They have to apply when applications open to show they're dedicated and they do actually want to come back (people might want to come back for just the staff title rather than the work which is fair enough I suppose but not exactly helpful ). The only thing they don't have to do again is a trial. However, despite that, different departments have different requirements. For example, the competitions department is only a small department with small chance of promotion due to only having a manager and assistant manager unlike HxL so it's possible that staff only 'jump up' to the next stage for a number of reasons. It is at the discretion of the department manager and/or AGM of staff (depending on position really).

[Conservative,]

In some ways I agree...

In HxL we have the rule that you can return, but no matter if you were manager or regular DJ, you return as a regular DJ no matter what. But it seems that lately this hasn't been followed strictly...

I don't think bringing seniors back straightaway serves anything but annoy those who have been regulars in the department whilst the other was away, proved their dedication etc. and then get it blown back in their faces.

It is stupid to say "what if no other staff is ready"...because in reality, that would never be the case unless it's a brand new department. There is always 1 staff member who can step up to it.

So really I think that departments should follow the HxL example. If a manager or Senior resigns, they have to be willing to work their way back up if they return.

And GM's as well for that matter. I think it's unfair that people can quit then just return straight back to the top, regardless of how good they were.

It's different if they're asked by Jin (or in managers cases, GMs) but if they just return expecting to get their old position back it's just unfair on other people - who may be better - just to get their position back.

[Zuth]

If people are skilled enough, they should be aloud back, but if there is someone more skilled in the dept as normal staff, they should get the job first. That's my opinion.

[Callum.]

It's a rule of mine that if someone resigns and want to come back, they have to start from stratch again. They have to apply when applications open to show they're dedicated and they do actually want to come back (people might want to come back for just the staff title rather than the work which is fair enough I suppose but not exactly helpful ). The only thing they don't have to do again is a trial. However, despite that, different departments have different requirements. For example, the competitions department is only a small department with small chance of promotion due to only having a manager and assistant manager unlike HxL so it's possible that staff only 'jump up' to the next stage for a number of reasons. It is at the discretion of the department manager and/or AGM of staff (depending on position really).

You say this everytime a thread like this is made which is why I actually respect you. You're on of the few who get into a decent role and don't change massively into this strange being with power.

[Sharon]

i'm just going to say now, it's not about kelly as she's not the only one as if she was, there's really no need for a feedback thread. i'm just going to say - yes she is one of them, but not the only one. i'm just here saying it as it happens frequently. i have nothing against kelly.

i like inseriousity's post.

[-Danube-]

If people are skilled enough, they should be aloud back, but if there is someone more skilled in the dept as normal staff, they should get the job first. That's my opinion.

This is exactly how i work.

I look for people in the department first, but then if someone is wanting to return i will offer the position to them.

I am not willing to discuss anything about Kellie in this thread.

[scott]

In some ways I agree...

In HxL we have the rule that you can return, but no matter if you were manager or regular DJ, you return as a regular DJ no matter what. But it seems that lately this hasn't been followed strictly...

I don't think bringing seniors back straightaway serves anything but annoy those who have been regulars in the department whilst the other was away, proved their dedication etc. and then get it blown back in their faces.

It is stupid to say "what if no other staff is ready"...because in reality, that would never be the case unless it's a brand new department. There is always 1 staff member who can step up to it.

So really I think that departments should follow the HxL example. If a manager or Senior resigns, they have to be willing to work their way back up if they return.

And GM's as well for that matter. I think it's unfair that people can quit then just return straight back to the top, regardless of how good they were.

It's different if they're asked by Jin (or in managers cases, GMs) but if they just return expecting to get their old position back it's just unfair on other people - who may be better - just to get their position back.

No idea were this came from - the best person for the job will get promoted whether they are staff are not. A few times as well we've had Head DJs who resigned return as senior DJs as they know how habboxlive work and that's what was needed at the time.

Promotions shouldn't really work on how long someones been there as it's certainly not the only thing thought about during someone getting promoted.

[Josh]

In some ways I agree...

In HxL we have the rule that you can return, but no matter if you were manager or regular DJ, you return as a regular DJ no matter what. But it seems that lately this hasn't been followed strictly...

I don't think bringing seniors back straightaway serves anything but annoy those who have been regulars in the department whilst the other was away, proved their dedication etc. and then get it blown back in their faces.

It is stupid to say "what if no other staff is ready"...because in reality, that would never be the case unless it's a brand new department. There is always 1 staff member who can step up to it.

So really I think that departments should follow the HxL example. If a manager or Senior resigns, they have to be willing to work their way back up if they return.

And GM's as well for that matter. I think it's unfair that people can quit then just return straight back to the top, regardless of how good they were.

It's different if they're asked by Jin (or in managers cases, GMs) but if they just return expecting to get their old position back it's just unfair on other people - who may be better - just to get their position back.

HabboxLive example? No thanks.

They can work their way up, and be a wasted resource or they can be put into the previous position where the manager knows they'll do good.

If you were management, would you rather an experienced person in a higher role, or just someone who "was in line" and will have to be taught everything that you have to do with that new role. Not everyone is ready and if you're going to waste resources by going with the second option... that's just a poor management decision.

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No idea were this came from - the best person for the job will get promoted whether they are staff are not. A few times as well we've had Head DJs who resigned return as senior DJs as they know how habboxlive work and that's what was needed at the time.

Promotions shouldn't really work on how long someones been there as it's certainly not the only thing thought about during someone getting promoted.

eg. Grig passed his trial and in the same week (check on that), he got Head DJ.

[-Danube-]

In some ways I agree...

In HxL we have the rule that you can return, but no matter if you were manager or regular DJ, you return as a regular DJ no matter what. But it seems that lately this hasn't been followed strictly...

I don't think bringing seniors back straightaway serves anything but annoy those who have been regulars in the department whilst the other was away, proved their dedication etc. and then get it blown back in their faces.

It is stupid to say "what if no other staff is ready"...because in reality, that would never be the case unless it's a brand new department. There is always 1 staff member who can step up to it.

So really I think that departments should follow the HxL example. If a manager or Senior resigns, they have to be willing to work their way back up if they return.

And GM's as well for that matter. I think it's unfair that people can quit then just return straight back to the top, regardless of how good they were.

It's different if they're asked by Jin (or in managers cases, GMs) but if they just return expecting to get their old position back it's just unfair on other people - who may be better - just to get their position back.

I don't think you can make this statement if you haven't been in a management role yourself. When a department is low on middle rank staff members (often when they have had high levels of senior staff leaving) then it's hard to find someone who can step up to a role.

You also can't say that all other departments should take HxL as an example as all other departments are different. For example in Rare Values the HRVRs are expected to update values on the site and add new rares (all with approval from me and Luke first) which is a very high trust role, i can't just be giving it to people who haven't quite fit into the role.

Also promotions to senior roles are decided by General Management really, i have to ask permission from Oli and Martin before i promote anyone to a senior role. So if it's good enough for them, it's good enough for Jin, it's good enough for Habbox.

[Grig]

No idea were this came from - the best person for the job will get promoted whether they are staff are not. A few times as well we've had Head DJs who resigned return as senior DJs as they know how habboxlive work and that's what was needed at the time.

Promotions shouldn't really work on how long someones been there as it's certainly not the only thing thought about during someone getting promoted.

This basically, I wondered where he got this forum. Managers have returned as Head, Heads as seniors and what not. It is all about experience, to be in a senior rank, some people underestimate the sheer amount of experience needed. Well for radio you do. You need to know everything like the back of your hands, have clean records, be a role model and so forth and so forth. I can go translating what a leader does, but I shan't. For example, if someone asked me some tech questions about the software, I am expected to in most cases know and assist on how to fix/ do stuff. This takes experience and people within the lower ranks are sometimes not ready to take on such an important role.