Clegg and Cameron turn on Oxford University over race/wealth status of students

[sophiethenerd]

Intelligence should be the only factor into getting into high rate university.

[myke]

Intelligence should be the only factor into getting into high rate university.

I agree, it's kind of a silly/stupid idea. so glad I'm not applying in 2012!

[Stephen]

You get the grades, you get the place

I agree. I think it's really stupid lmao. You could have a poorish person with a brain better than more than half of the rich ***** in the world

[Cheryl]

You get the grades, you get the place

It comes down to this. At the end of the day, in a country with (just) a white majority, more should be white.

[ben]

Intelligence should be the only factor into getting into high rate university.

Well exams arnt really a test of intelligence but a test of memory in my opinion

[AgnesIO]

Well exams arnt really a test of intelligence but a test of memory in my opinion

Intelligence does come down to memory.

If you do't remember what you need to know, you will never succeed.

I mean, how do you ride a bike? You learn and remember how to. How do you walk? You learn and remember how to. How do you speak another language? You learn and REMEMBER how to.

[sophiethenerd]

Well exams arnt really a test of intelligence but a test of memory in my opinion

It depends what subject.
Languages and maths and science, yes they are memory based.
English that's writing on a topic that you have just been given so it requires some intelligence to come up with ideas.
Just my opinion.

ANYWAY *runz back to topic*

Poor people will be put of going to top uni's as they are really expensive.

[AgnesIO]

It depends what subject.
Languages and maths and science, yes they are memory based.
English that's writing on a topic that you have just been given so it requires some intelligence to come up with ideas.
Just my opinion.

ANYWAY *runz back to topic*

Poor people will be put of going to top uni's as they are really expensive.

Fortunately the government has an answer to this. Charge anyone whos parents earn a certain amount per year (like mine and many others) the full whack, then with all that money saved let the people who cannot afford it go for cheap.

******* idiots.

[Nemo]

Fortunately the government has an answer to this. Charge anyone whos parents earn a certain amount per year (like mine and many others) the full whack, then with all that money saved let the people who cannot afford it go for cheap.

******* idiots.

What, that makes perfect sense to me? Why give others a disadvantage just because they cant afford it. And if you're being charged the full whack then obviously your income can support that?

[luce]

where i live (guernsey) we still have the 11+ system with a grammar school and the rest comprehensive and then 3 private schools. It worked for me as I got into the grammar school and i will be applying for cambridge in october. HOWEVER there are the few who don't get into the grammar school who should have and are therefore held back by some comprehensive morons or there are some who get into the grammar school and just trail along behind doing nothing and waste a space and the time of the teachers we have. I think 11 may be too early to judge whether the pupil is good enough or not because i scrapped in and am not sitting on all A*-A Gcses and AAAA at as after the first lot of exams. I'm lucky i scraped in but if i hadn't no doubt i'd be a average A-C student. It's impossible to get the right balance in my opinion because there will alway be the exception.

Also the other fundamental drawback is that most kids these days don't care because they've been brought up in a padded welfare state which is running out of money.

Also on uni fees why should my family be charged the full whack yes we could afford it if push came to shove but the only reason i have to pay it is because so many people are going to university to do degrees they don't need to do. Communications and Media? sorry but give me a break you don't need to study for three years to come out and be able to communicate. resources have to be used up on the wasters so the serious people who have the potential to use their degree for the good of the economy and not just go into a job that you don't need a degree for should be supported because at the end of the day they are going to be the ones paying it back to society in the form of higher taxes and efficient human capital.

so many people are scared of being seen as elitist, racist, classist. I say - grow up, who cares.