Sony shuts down PlayStation Network Indefinitely

[Neil]

Not to mention in general the PS3 has a higher pricetag than an xbox of the same specification, this extra money could perhaps be towards the online service.

When the PS3 first launched every console they sold lost them money, they had no extra money to put towards the online because the console cost so much to develop and make, so no they didn't really have "extra" money to put towards online, it was all a loss from the start.

[Niall!]

The master race of long installtion times and bi-monthly upgrades?

You can't be serious can you? Sure, install times can get a little frustrating, but the what, 15 minute? wait is made up for with better controls, graphics and community. Also, I upgraded my system just last week, the first time in a year and that's only because I got the stuff cheap from a friend...

[Neil]

You can't be serious can you? Sure, install times can get a little frustrating, but the what, 15 minute? wait is made up for with better controls, graphics and community. Also, I upgraded my system just last week, the first time in a year and that's only because I got the stuff cheap from a friend...

It was a joke, but now that you mention it.

"better controls" - Debatable, I'd rather have a joypad than using a mouse and keyboard.
"graphics" - PC graphics aren't much better than console graphics, better yes, a console couldn't match what a PC can do yet, but they're not much better.
"community" - Also debatable, I feel the PC community is full of bone headed morons that spend more time comparing RAM than they do playing games, I'd much rather have my games on a stable platform than one that requires upgrades if things get a little intense.

[Firehorse]

It was a joke, but now that you mention it.

"better controls" - Debatable, I'd rather have a joypad than using a mouse and keyboard.
"graphics" - PC graphics aren't much better than console graphics, better yes, a console couldn't match what a PC can do yet, but they're not much better.
"community" - Also debatable, I feel the PC community is full of bone headed morons that spend more time comparing RAM than they do playing games, I'd much rather have my games on a stable platform than one that requires upgrades if things get a little intense.

This video is as good as pc vs console in terms of what can be achieved with the right hardware:



And ontop of that the console version looks worse than the video on the left because it doesn't have anti aliasing.

[dbgtz]

I think most people would use a PC if they didn't cost so much to run games at the same standard as a console. I don't mean they're equal in performance, I mean that for a £250 PS3 you'd need like a £600ish computer.

Anyway as Neil said, PS3 was launched as a loss and is only really just started to get a profit per unit. As far as I'm concerned, PS3 was just an investment console for bluray and the cell which proved to do quite a bit as bluray is expanding and the cell is being put into tvs as far as im aware.

And finally, I wish Sony would hurry up, I wanna portal 2 coop. I could do it on steam, but I'm waiting for someone who has it on ps3 but couldnt link the ps3 to steam. And despite this occuring, I won't be buying xbox live.

[Camy]

ouch that really sucks... I thought being charged £1 a day for being overdrawn was bad! Thats charging you a 18250% interest rate. Madness!

Yeah, I really need to look at getting a new account, the one I've got is good for savings, but for everything else it's relatively crap.

£9.99, isn't that the price of PlayStation premium? Forget to cancel?

I've never bought playstation premium, can't really afford to on top of xbox live, and other stuff. They only things I've bought off of psn were a couple of old ps1 games.

What I never got was, how come Sony had the resources and ability to provide their online service for free and Microsoft doesn't? Surely they should be able to provide a free service like PlayStations..

I have a ps3, I'm not worried. I'm just bummed that I can't use PSN for a while, no big deal though. I have you guys to keep me entertained

I think the money in an xbox live subscription might go towards them getting exclusives, and perhaps going towards better security measures, and stuff of that nature, but who knows who much better their security is, we'll need to wait and see if the hackers/anonymous decide to hack live next or not. Also microsoft aren't going to miss out on an opportunity to make money.

You know instead of arguing that you're sticking with the PS3 because of 12 year olds on Xbox I urge you to join the PC gaming master race.

Lol, I've played on both consoles, and I play on pc now and again for the mods and stuff, and although I would say overall pc is better, the community is full of elitists who all think they're amazing and don't take well to new players, especially if you start beating them at the game they're so amazing at.

[Chippiewill]

Was just listening to a security podcast, apparently they stored details such as passwords unhashed...

Needless to say... that's dumb.

[Ajthedragon]

Sony will sort it out. And until such a time I'll be annoyed my Gran Turismo 5 won't be getting any updates.

[GommeInc]

Also in reply to the multiple times I've seen people say "yes but xbox live have 12 year olds" and what not, for this reason, I don't use game chat, I use party chat while playing on xbox live, problem sorted.

You get them on the PS3 anyway. Many a time I've played Red Dead Redemption and been met with screaming 12 years old

Was just listening to a security podcast, apparently they stored details such as passwords unhashed...

Needless to say... that's dumb.

Is a bit. The internet has been a buzz with unprotected details. The iPhone has been attacked for it, and another company was in trouble recently too. The case with PSN is a bit more serious though

[Stephen!]

Sony admits utter PSN failure: your personal data has been stolen.

What did they get?

Here is the data that Sony is sure has been compromised if you have a PlayStation Network Account:

Your name
Your address (city, state, and zip)
Country
E-mail address
Birthday
PSN password and login name

http://arstechnica.com/gaming/news/2...m_medium=email