Osama Bin Laden is DEAD

[-:Undertaker:-]

Dan, I've just logged in to post this message back to you so your point doesn't look to be true, but no - I "ignore you" (aka don't reply) because I don't have the time to go round in circles with you, you present your arguments clearly and add background & evidence to your posts and it's something you enjoy doing. Don't say you listen to peoples opinions because you don't and many, many people on this forum have told me that they simply refuse to reply to your posts most of the time because you do, go round in circles or take the thread off topic. Unfortunately, I have more commitments on this forum and off it which prevent me from spending time going round in the circles with you (be assured if I did have the time, I would). I will happily state my opinion and I will happily argue against you and I will happily state that your opinion differs to mine, however you go around this forum with the attitude that you are always right and everybody else's opinion is invalid, this puts a lot of people off posting with you. I think the phrase is "agree to disagree", which is something I have to do because quite frankly I don't have the time to follow your circles, as much as I'd love to, perhaps one summer when I've resigned from my roles here at Habbox it's a past-time I will take up , so please, cut the patronising attitude it's just fueling the negative opinion half of this forum has of you.

I'm not going around in circles at all, if you are left speechless then at least admit it - as I have in the past and recently with abortion.

The issue is you always think you are right, not that others simply can't fight/debate with you. People just get ******* bored of your posts.

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Total respect to 'Roryy' hit the nail on the head :L

Is it really that, or is it people having no response to what I say as with above to the usual response of 'well thats my opinion'? I wonder. I myself only changed my opinion on abortion a few months ago after I had nothing left to argue and was left speechless - thus I accepted I was wrong and changed opinions. Unlike yourself Milestone, the guy who refused to debate the Libyan issue (when at least others would) and resorted to 'you get all your opinions from the media' - the same media who were in support of the Libyan conflict when I was arguing against it.. hmm.

Naturally, one is going to believe their opinion is correct or that would not be their opinion, Dan's problem is he refuses to see that other people are entitled to their opinion (or at least, that's what his mannerisms in his posts portray, he claims we are entitled to our opinions himself, but if you read the post you quoted, does he really?)

You are confusing me accepting you have an opinion to me questioning and trying to pick holes in your opinion, which I have done - opinions are usually based on strength and being able to back them up, something you've not been able to do amid my questioning hence why you've now resorted to the usual 'thats my opinion'.

[Conservative,]

Interesting thing just came up on the BBC local news (for me):

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-13268834

Trying to get us already eh?

[AgnesIO]

I'm not going around in circles at all, if you are left speechless then at least admit it - as I have in the past and recently with abortion.



Is it really that, or is it people having no response to what I say as with above to the usual response of 'well thats my opinion'? I wonder. I myself only changed my opinion on abortion a few months ago after I had nothing left to argue and was left speechless - thus I accepted I was wrong and changed opinions. Unlike yourself Milestone, the guy who refused to debate the Libyan issue (when at least others would) and resorted to 'you get all your opinions from the media' - the same media who were in support of the Libyan conflict when I was arguing against it.. hmm.

Yes it is that, Dan. People get bored as WHATEVER they say, you refuse to accept their opinion. You don't always have to be right, infact you know what? People just stop replying to you - is that what you want? I wouldn't mind, but whatever you think you are not always right, your opinion is not always best, so why not accept that occasionally? It isn't that I refuse to debate it, it is that I cannot be bothered to write an entire essay to you, for yu to simply write a load of rubbish about why I am completely wrong and why my opinion is wrong.

So actually, it really is that.

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Interesting thing just came up on the BBC local news (for me):

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-13268834

Trying to get us already eh?

Not necessarily - I saw this when it came up, and although obviously t is suspicious that this happens just after his death, they could have been doing whatever before hand - just they have only just been caught due to security being stepped up.

[Hecktix]

I'm not going around in circles at all, if you are left speechless then at least admit it - as I have in the past and recently with abortion.



Is it really that, or is it people having no response to what I say as with above to the usual response of 'well thats my opinion'? I wonder. I myself only changed my opinion on abortion a few months ago after I had nothing left to argue and was left speechless - thus I accepted I was wrong and changed opinions. Unlike yourself Milestone, the guy who refused to debate the Libyan issue (when at least others would) and resorted to 'you get all your opinions from the media' - the same media who were in support of the Libyan conflict when I was arguing against it.. hmm.



You are confusing me accepting you have an opinion to me questioning and trying to pick holes in your opinion, which I have done - opinions are usually based on strength and being able to back them up, something you've not been able to do amid my questioning hence why you've now resorted to the usual 'thats my opinion'.

No Dan, not speechless, each time I have failed to reply to you has simply been because I do not have the time to do so, you fail to understand that, just like you fail to understand the validity of anothers opinion. I could argue with you about abortion all day, but that's not going to help me pass my stats exam tomorrow, which is why I am leaving you short responses now explaining exactly why I am not replying to you, I don't have time to.

Interesting thing just came up on the BBC local news (for me):

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-13268834

Trying to get us already eh?

These things happen on a weekly basis, Robbie, it's nothing, just terrorist-wannabes

[Conservative,]

No Dan, not speechless, each time I have failed to reply to you has simply been because I do not have the time to do so, you fail to understand that, just like you fail to understand the validity of anothers opinion. I could argue with you about abortion all day, but that's not going to help me pass my stats exam tomorrow, which is why I am leaving you short responses now explaining exactly why I am not replying to you, I don't have time to.



These things happen on a weekly basis, Robbie, it's nothing, just terrorist-wannabes

Yeah I know, just coincidental that they did it at that time though

[-:Undertaker:-]

Yes it is that, Dan. People get bored as WHATEVER they say, you refuse to accept their opinion. You don't always have to be right, infact you know what? People just stop replying to you - is that what you want? I wouldn't mind, but whatever you think you are not always right, your opinion is not always best, so why not accept that occasionally? It isn't that I refuse to debate it, it is that I cannot be bothered to write an entire essay to you, for yu to simply write a load of rubbish about why I am completely wrong and why my opinion is wrong.

So actually, it really is that.

Why would I 'accept' an opinion (by accept i'm sure you mean fall into agreement with it) when they fail to back that opinion up to the counter argument that i've put across? If what I write is rubbish and i'm wrong, you should be able to leave me speechless.

And you can bet that, if you do leave me speechless - i'll accept I was wrong gracefully, rather than resorting to 'well thats my opinion'.

[-Danube-]

No matter what people say, this is a massive blow to Al Qaeda and all it's affiliates. Yes, Bin Laden did basically nothing in terms of ruling Al Qaeda post 9/11 really but it was his name that was feared by all and his tapes and videos kept Al Qaeda going and seeming strong. The person who they are saying is incharge now, has basically been in charge from the very beginning. He was the man who radicalised Bin Laden in the first place, Bin Laden was just a string puppet to him. Nothing will change in the terms of running Al Qaeda but it is seriously wounded, they have lost their 'spokes man' they'll probably find it harder to send out their messages of Terror and Fear from now on.

I think it would also start arguments within Al Qaeda itself, some people will be so passionate about the death of Bin Laden that they will not want to wait to avenge his death, so i'm sure they will rush into some kind of plot, which they will quickly get caught for. This will annoy people within Al Qaeda as they will all have separate views of how they want to deal with this situation.

I think the media are again trying to strike us all with fear by saying there will be loads of counter strikes and this whole situation has changed nothing, i think this is seriously flawed and just creating drama to sell papers. This has been a serious blow to Al Qaeda.

I also think it was correct for them to shoot Bin Laden on the spot, if he was captured and put on trial, it would have caused so many more problems. There would have been loads of kidnaps and randsomes going out to order the release of Bin Laden. If Al Qaeda knew that he was still alive, they would have done everything in their power to see him released.

There is no trial big enough, no punishment brutal enough to make up for what Bin Laden did, so i feel capturing him would have just been a serious waste of time, money and probably further lives. I would have loved Bin Laden to pay for what he did, but he simple wouldn't have been able to be, so death was the best option for him.

I'm very Anti death penalty (as of an experience i went through last year) but this is one occasion were i would contradict myself and say he should have been killed.

At least we are rid of such an evil man. I heard he made one of his wives' take a few shots for him, how selfish and sick. 1 more life gone on his behalf.

[Hecktix]

Why would I 'accept' an opinion (by accept i'm sure you mean fall into agreement with it) when they fail to back that opinion up to the counter argument that i've put across? If what I write is rubbish and i'm wrong, you should be able to leave me speechless.

And you can bet that, if you do leave me speechless - i'll accept I was wrong gracefully, rather than resorting to 'well thats my opinion'.

Definitions of "Opinion"

a personal belief or judgment that is not founded on proof or certainty

a message expressing a belief about something; the expression of a belief that is held with confidence but not substantiated by positive knowledge or proof

That to me, would suggest one cannot prove an opinion wrong .

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Yeah I know, just coincidental that they did it at that time though

Ah, no. Not coincidental they did it at that time, coincidental that the media bothered to report it if it had happened last Monday, it probably wouldn't have been in the news (or even released to the media, for that matter).

[AgnesIO]

Why would I 'accept' an opinion (by accept i'm sure you mean fall into agreement with it) when they fail to back that opinion up to the counter argument that i've put across? If what I write is rubbish and i'm wrong, you should be able to leave me speechless.

And you can bet that, if you do leave me speechless - i'll accept I was wrong gracefully, rather than resorting to 'well thats my opinion'.

Apart from Abortion, is there anything else you have ever been wrong about?

Dan, the reason we say 'well that is my opinion', is because we do not have time to reply to you, but if we don't reply you just say 'THAT SHOWS I AM RIGHT!' - what do you want? Us to reply and point out it is our opinion, and no matter what you say can change that - or would you like us to ignore your posts (in which case you have proven us wrong, and you are the almighty god of everything)? Please help, me as I don't understand what you would prefer. Those are your two options, by the way :rolleyes:

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Dan (danube) you got that spot on there. Obviously the media will make any terrorist find 'the worlds biggest, most scary revenge attack ever', but we need to remember that although the threat obviously will be higher for a while, since Bin Laden has been killed, while it is higher so is security. The government officials know what to expect, and where a terrorist threat is raised, so it the level of security.

Taking Bin Laden alive, as you say, would have simply caused all sorts of problems - with Al Qaeda and Osama fans doing anything to get him back - however since he is dead, they can try what they like, they won't get him back alive and well!

[-:Undertaker:-]

Definitions of "Opinion"



That to me, would suggest one cannot prove an opinion wrong .

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Ah, no. Not coincidental they did it at that time, coincidental that the media bothered to report it if it had happened last Monday, it probably wouldn't have been in the news (or even released to the media, for that matter).

When confronted with evidence that should change your opinion, if you wish to be technical, the rational thing to do would be to change stance on the issue would it not? if not, then you can admit you are not guided by rationality and thus take back the comment that I am the 'narrow minded one'? yes?

Apart from Abortion, is there anything else you have ever been wrong about?

Dan, the reason we say 'well that is my opinion', is because we do not have time to reply to you, but if we don't reply you just say 'THAT SHOWS I AM RIGHT!' - what do you want? Us to reply and point out it is our opinion, and no matter what you say can change that - or would you like us to ignore your posts (in which case you have proven us wrong, and you are the almighty god of everything)? Please help, me as I don't understand what you would prefer. Those are your two options, by the way :rolleyes:

It does, because if you were truly 'winning' the debates and had me scratching around for answers/rational argument, then you would continue (and should always) until I was lost for words - just as with the staff member a few pages back who was arguing in favour of Bin Laden, you all kept going at him because he was scratching around for reasonable points of which he couldn't find.

What would I like? either for you to leave me speechless and from that i've then learnt something, or in the case that I leave you speechless that you at least accept that instead of resorting to 'my opinion' and hopefully you'd then go off and look into the issue and try to find counter arguments - if none come up then you then know which side is correct don't you?

Much better than being stubborn because then nobody learns anything for the sake of ones personal pride.

Apart from Abortion, is there anything else you have ever been wrong about?

Oh yes, I was afterall once left wing.

I've always found that the opinions I advocate which are not based on reason because I hadn't looked into them properly (and thus accepted conventional thought) crumbled fast when I looked into them - abortion being the latest one. I accepted I was wrong to myself and thus changed my stance, because looking back my previous stance had no real substance to it.