[DISCUSSION] Should Habbox Managers be able to win large Habbox events/competitions?

[GommeInc]

Staff are members of the community too

They're staff, they're there to serve it Being staff makes them part of the community, but they're like the Police Officers, Social Workers and Street Corner members of the community at a street fayre who have special stalls erected for the community to play with That said, staff could enter competitions if they have had nothing to do with the planning... Managers are a different story, but it depends what a "Manager" is at Habbox. Managers tend to have quite an important "close-knit" role at the top of the food chain, where their duties tend to be different to that of regular staff and more associated with the day to day running of the community. Managers should probably be exempt, but regular staff could enter :/

[nvrspk4]

I'm tempted to agree with Gomme (actually, not just tempted - I do, as I've made clear.) I also have other reasons for it which are more utilitarian/practical, but I can predict that in a popular contest those will be voted down, they're the type of reasons that a decision might be made from the top down for

That is not what I said. I'm not stupid, I know that a poetry contest does not get a random winner, the winner is chosen with great inspection of the entries. What I said, however, was that nvr's argument was to bar managers from entering poetry contests, for example- and I presume this would include things such as graphics competitions, story competitions, "what would you do?" situations etc etc. I said that I disagreed with this, I feel that they should be allowed to enter them over any type of competition because I'm presuming nvr's argument is that it's "bias" if they win (in the public point of view thinking "WHAT THE HELL HOW DID THEY WIN THEY'RE A MANAGER HABBOX IS A SCAM" whereas a competition with no input such as the choose a number competition and they win is then when bias could be looked into (even though I know managers wouldn't do it anyway). My post above was showing confusion to why managers should be barred from poetry competitions and the like.

You misunderstood my point slightly - I don't think that there WOULD be bias, I was arguing the impression that other people - particularly those with little to no experience with Habbox - would have as a result of that outcome. By the same token, managers often donate prizes back or use them for future prizes - but that's not how people look at it. To a certain degree, perception is very important.

[Catzsy]

They're staff, they're there to serve it Being staff makes them part of the community, but they're like the Police Officers, Social Workers and Street Corner members of the community at a street fayre who have special stalls erected for the community to play with That said, staff could enter competitions if they have had nothing to do with the planning... Managers are a different story, but it depends what a "Manager" is at Habbox. Managers tend to have quite an important "close-knit" role at the top of the food chain, where their duties tend to be different to that of regular staff and more associated with the day to day running of the community. Managers should probably be exempt, but regular staff could enter :/

All staff are here to serve the community and as I said previously they are not employees they are volunteers so you can't compare with police forces, social workers etc so I don't see why managers should be singled out here.
It has already been said that Managers cannot enter a competition within their own department. As far as perception goes that could be said of any staff winning and I don't think 90% of the members are as sceptical as that. There maybe one or two but as long as the competition and prize giving is completely transparent, I don't see a problem.

[Alex3213]

I'm tempted to agree with Gomme (actually, not just tempted - I do, as I've made clear.) I also have other reasons for it which are more utilitarian/practical, but I can predict that in a popular contest those will be voted down, they're the type of reasons that a decision might be made from the top down for



You misunderstood my point slightly - I don't think that there WOULD be bias, I was arguing the impression that other people - particularly those with little to no experience with Habbox - would have as a result of that outcome. By the same token, managers often donate prizes back or use them for future prizes - but that's not how people look at it. To a certain degree, perception is very important.

Yeah sorry my post wasn't clear, I know what you mean. That's why competitions staff can't enter competitions because they're posted in advance anyway and if a comps staff won a comp (dun dun dun) it'd look slightly dodgy. However when it comes to the fact that managers have nothing to do with the event which is being held I think it'd be fair enough for them to be allowed to enter. After all, it's quite a low probability that they'd lose anyway and most of the managers would either give it to second place or donate it to Habbox (and yes, I have read your post but if they win it's their choice what they do with it )

[Bradobbin]

I think they shouldn't be allowed to win, it effectively allows staff to build hype for a competition then simply transfer wealth around the site..

[GommeInc]

All staff are here to serve the community and as I said previously they are not employees they are volunteers so you can't compare with police forces, social workers etc so I don't see why managers should be singled out here.
It has already been said that Managers cannot enter a competition within their own department. As far as perception goes that could be said of any staff winning and I don't think 90% of the members are as sceptical as that. There maybe one or two but as long as the competition and prize giving is completely transparent, I don't see a problem.

Because managers do not need to participate, they're already happy members of the community and so they should be serving the community than the staff who are meant to also be serving the community. If Staff want to participate in competitions, make a new Staff Competition Department as competitions for the Community should be reserved for members who are not staff as they're the ones you're meant to be satisfying as they're the ones that make up the majority of the very essence of a fansite, not the staff - they only make up a tiny percentage.

[Catzsy]

Because managers do not need to participate, they're already happy members of the community and so they should be serving the community than the staff who are meant to also be serving the community. If Staff want to participate in competitions, make a new Staff Competition Department as competitions for the Community should be reserved for members who are not staff as they're the ones you're meant to be satisfying as they're the ones that make up the majority of the very essence of a fansite, not the staff - they only make up a tiny percentage.

I am sure all staff are happy members of the community. Can't see the logic here at all. I think I will agree to disagree with you on this, Gomme.

[-:Undertaker:-]

During my two periods as manager whenever we had a game with public or just staff i'd usually refrain from playing or if I did play and win, i'd pass the prize onto the person who came second as to avoid this all hassle and because I myself didn't need it or want it. I don't think a rule is needed as it should be down to the manager what he or she wishes to do.

Perhaps just exercise some common sense depending on circumstances rather than implement more rules.

[Eoin247]

I think that managers should refrain from entering competitions.

Theres only one reason for this and that is the public image of habbox. Having a manager of any sort winning a competition does not look good for habbox. In all organisations in real life, staff aren't even allowed to enter their employers competitions.

If you ever read the T&Cs of any competition it will state that any staff or relatives associated with the organisation running the competition, cannot enter.

I mean think about it, what would the publics reaction be if Steve Jobs or some other high up staffer at Apple won an Apple made competition?

[lawrawrrr]

I think that managers should refrain from entering competitions.

Theres only one reason for this and that is the public image of habbox. Having a manager of any sort winning a competition does not look good for habbox. In all organisations in real life, staff aren't even allowed to enter their employers competitions.

If you ever read the T&Cs of any competition it will state that any staff or relatives associated with the organisation running the competition, cannot enter.

I mean think about it, what would the publics reaction be if Steve Jobs or some other high up staffer at Apple won an Apple made competition?

But the people working at Apple are PAID to work there, we work as managers out of the goodness of our own hearts (lol) because we love Habbox! If we were paid, yes it would be wrong to then take MORE funds from habbox, but as we're not, why should we give up our fun?