[DISCUSSION] Should Habbox Managers be able to win large Habbox events/competitions?

[Samantha]

I think it's because most events are luck based whereas HxL could be easy to rig? No offence to HxL and not saying it is rigged! However, I was listening the other week and a dj, a manager and another manager won the win a rooms, maybe conincidence, but it didn't give me a good impression of Habbox and I tuned out. Maybe if other listeners were part of the Habbox Community and knew the staff they may not listen anymore as it could be seen as rigged.

In a way, maybe event staff shouldn't enter quizzes/payday etc, as it's easy to spread the answers!

[Eoin247]

I think it's because most events are luck based whereas HxL could be easy to rig? No offence to HxL and not saying it is rigged! However, I was listening the other week and a dj, a manager and another manager won the win a rooms, maybe conincidence, but it didn't give me a good impression of Habbox and I tuned out. Maybe if other listeners were part of the Habbox Community and knew the staff they may not listen anymore as it could be seen as rigged.

In a way, maybe event staff shouldn't enter quizzes/payday etc, as it's easy to spread the answers!

I didn't realise that this was as common as it seems to be from the bolded text above.

If they are winning regularly to any extent it is a very big problem. Bigger than i thought it was. It makes habbox look very bad. DJs shouldn't be allowed to enter hxl comps regardless.

[Mathew]

You misunderstood my post. I didn't say they were more legitimate, i said that people on the forums know for a fact that habbox run legitimate competitions. Listeners on habboxlive for the mostpart are "regular habbos" that aren't part of the forum community and wouldn't know from past experiences in general. Also events run in habbo would bring in habbos that aren't familiar with habbox too. People on the forum here know from experience that competitions are legitimate.

When is the point when you realise "Habbox doesn't rig" then? Just like most things, it's far too ambiguous and you can't generalise like that.

I don't think managers or even event staff should be allowed to enter competitions.

lol

Yeah I agree with sam - I don't think anyone in the specific department should be allowed to enter, like with the Monopoly, the comps staff can still get tickets, just through events, not through the comps side. I can see why comps staff can't enter - due to the comps being posted before they get released into the public eye, but with HxHD and the SNQ, no other staff apart from the host (and maybe someone who helped to write questions) can know the answers - but none of them are allowed to enter. Why isn't this the case for events/hxl?

To be fair, I don't see any reason why HxHD Staff can't win the SNQ.

But yeah, it isn't (and shouldn't) be the case for HxL and Events because we should be encouraging staff to help out their fellow staff members in their events. I know for a fact that a lot of "staff bonding" happens in regular events and it helps to create a closer-knit group. Disallowing EOs from winning events would be nothing but detrimental; it encourages staff to talk to each other, it gets them involved with the community, it helps them to win prizes which they can give out in their own events and it helps to boost the rooms activity. I think you'd be quite odd to suggest Dilusionate could rig a Pod Racing so that Jurv could win... :rolleyes:

However, I was listening the other week and a dj, a manager and another manager won the win a rooms, maybe conincidence, but it didn't give me a good impression of Habbox and I tuned out.

Wow, so dramatic. I highly doubt there were three "win a rooms" in a row and I highly doubt two members of management won it lol...

In a way, maybe event staff shouldn't enter quizzes/payday etc, as it's easy to spread the answers!

Good to know the amount of trust amongst Habbox Staff these days.

[lawrawrrr]

To be fair, I don't see any reason why HxHD Staff can't win the SNQ.

But yeah, it isn't (and shouldn't) be the case for HxL and Events because we should be encouraging staff to help out their fellow staff members in their events. I know for a fact that a lot of "staff bonding" happens in regular events and it helps to create a closer-knit group. Disallowing EOs from winning events would be nothing but detrimental; it encourages staff to talk to each other, it gets them involved with the community, it helps them to win prizes which they can give out in their own events and it helps to boost the rooms activity. I think you'd be quite odd to suggest Dilusionate could rig a Pod Racing so that Jurv could win... :rolleyes:

Pod Racing, no. Anything else? Possibly. Quiz answers could be given away on skype (another thing I see wrong with SNQ, let's not go there), FF chair placements told in advance, biased to place chairs nearer friends, TBH it's never going to be completely fair, no matter how hard you try, and I don't really see anything wrong with this, unless it's the same person winning the same host's events all the time. Staff entering other staff event's I can live with, as long as they're not huge prizes.

Yes I'm aware that goes against what I just posted but my head's not on straight today :S

[Mathew]

Pod Racing, no. Anything else? Possibly. Quiz answers could be given away on skype (another thing I see wrong with SNQ, let's not go there), FF chair placements told in advance, biased to place chairs nearer friends, TBH it's never going to be completely fair, no matter how hard you try, and I don't really see anything wrong with this, unless it's the same person winning the same host's events all the time. Staff entering other staff event's I can live with, as long as they're not huge prizes.

Yes I'm aware that goes against what I just posted but my head's not on straight today :S

I'm not sure where you stand on this anymoe but I'll just leave a comment for anyone else who wishes to reply:

What makes it more likely for an EO to be bias towards another EO? Surely they could tell their friends (who are non-staff) answers on Skype... etc?

[Eoin247]

When is the point when you realise "Habbox doesn't rig" then? Just like most things, it's far too ambiguous and you can't generalise like that.

Do you not realise that there's an absolutely huge difference between the hxl listener community and the forum posting community? It's the case for the vast vast majority of both of these communities. Not many from either communities overlap. If you want to be completely safe in protecting the habbox image, then ban managers from all competitions then. I was suggesting to allow them do forum competitions as you wouldn't get any complaints and it would be a nice compromise so that managers can still participate in things. The vast majority of the forum have a lot of trust for habbox competitions. Unlike listeners of hxl, where the majority know very little if anything about habbox or of its staff.

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I'm not sure where you stand on this anymoe but I'll just leave a comment for anyone else who wishes to reply:

What makes it more likely for an EO to be bias towards another EO? Surely they could tell their friends (who are non-staff) answers on Skype... etc?

The main point is not that habbox comps are rigged. It's that people unfamiliar with habbox might think they are rigged if managers/ staffers associated with the comps win. It's about habbox's image more than anything else as i've repeatedly said.

[Hecktix]

I think there's a lot of confusion within this thread towards people suggesting that things may appear rigged. They are quite clearly suggesting that these things to newcomers to Habbox may seem rigged. Everybody already here knows Habbox are probably one of the most stringent fansites in terms of competitions/regulations.

But look at it from this point of view:

1) You've been using Habbo for 2 weeks
2) You see a room that says [Habbox.com] Win 200c!
3) You enter the competition, you're having a really good time
4) "The Winner is Mathew"
5) You then find out that "Mathew" is a manager at Habbox.
6) As a young, new member who's not familiar with Habbox at all - how could this look?

That's what these people are trying to say, Matt - not that Habbox does rig.

[Mathew]

I think there's a lot of confusion within this thread towards people suggesting that things may appear rigged. They are quite clearly suggesting that these things to newcomers to Habbox may seem rigged. Everybody already here knows Habbox are probably one of the most stringent fansites in terms of competitions/regulations.

But look at it from this point of view:

1) You've been using Habbo for 2 weeks
2) You see a room that says [Habbox.com] Win 200c!
3) You enter the competition, you're having a really good time
4) "The Winner is Mathew"
5) You then find out that "Mathew" is a manager at Habbox.
6) As a young, new member who's not familiar with Habbox at all - how could this look?

That's what these people are trying to say, Matt - not that Habbox does rig.

That's perfectly understandable, I'm not stupid..

If you're suggesting people already here, (meaning people who "follow" Habbox) understand Habbox to be "one of the most stringent fansites", then there is no problem. Yet again, you are suggesting that people on the forum form the basis to Habbox, when in actual fact, the forum is merely a department just like any other and not the whole centre of Habbox.

Do you not realise that there's an absolutely huge difference between the hxl listener community and the forum posting community? It's the case for the vast vast majority of both of these communities. Not many from either communities overlap. If you want to be completely safe in protecting the habbox image, then ban managers from all competitions then. I was suggesting to allow them do forum competitions as you wouldn't get any complaints and it would be a nice compromise so that managers can still participate in things. The vast majority of the forum have a lot of trust for habbox competitions. Unlike listeners of hxl, where the majority know very little if anything about habbox or of its staff.

Eoin is suggesting that management should be allowed to enter forum based competitions, but not HabboxLive. What I'm saying is that you can't generalise two groups of people to form that conclusion. You're making HabboxLive listeners appear as vulnerable, guillable morons whereas forum members are apparently grown up, trustworthy and understanding people.

If you want to be completely safe in protecting the habbox image, then ban managers from all competitions then.

The answer to protecting the Habbox image is banning things left, right and centre? Hey, let's move away from ---MAD---'s time, eh?

Oh and also as I've said several times, you can't restrict people to enter and ignore certain competitions. Define what is considered big?

[Hecktix]

That's perfectly understandable, I'm not stupid..

If you're suggesting people already here, (meaning people who "follow" Habbox) understand Habbox to be "one of the most stringent fansites", then there is no problem. Yet again, you are suggesting that people on the forum form the basis to Habbox, when in actual fact, the forum is merely a department just like any other and not the whole centre of Habbox.

You are taking assumptions from my post which are incorrect. I'm not suggesting that people on the forum form the basis of Habbox, nowhere in that post did I suggest this, I quite clearly highlighted the difference between someone who follows Habbox and someone who is new to Habbox, this is the same for any department.

Oh and also as I've said several times, you can't restrict people to enter and ignore certain competitions. Define what is considered big?

Exactly what we consider "special" events, more one-off things.

Then again, I've given my decision on this matter and I'm not going to change it so I don't know why you are still arguing over it, I've left it in the hands of the managers to behave responsibly.

[Samantha]

When is the point when you realise "Habbox doesn't rig" then? Just like most things, it's far too ambiguous and you can't generalise like that.


lol


To be fair, I don't see any reason why HxHD Staff can't win the SNQ.

But yeah, it isn't (and shouldn't) be the case for HxL and Events because we should be encouraging staff to help out their fellow staff members in their events. I know for a fact that a lot of "staff bonding" happens in regular events and it helps to create a closer-knit group. Disallowing EOs from winning events would be nothing but detrimental; it encourages staff to talk to each other, it gets them involved with the community, it helps them to win prizes which they can give out in their own events and it helps to boost the rooms activity. I think you'd be quite odd to suggest Dilusionate could rig a Pod Racing so that Jurv could win... :rolleyes:


Wow, so dramatic. I highly doubt there were three "win a rooms" in a row and I highly doubt two members of management won it lol...


Good to know the amount of trust amongst Habbox Staff these days.

I didn't say in a row, when I've listened and sometimes entered I have noticed those winning!

And, I do trust the staff, but you never know do you as Laura said about different events.