The Human Centipede II - UK Release BANNED

[Misawa]

Clearly you need to flick through a dictionary.

Edited by Infectious (Forum Super Moderator): Please stay on topic!

[Judas]

Clearly you need to flick through a dictionary.

clearly i don't. but just for the sake of it, let's have a look.

art/ärt/Noun
1. The expression or application of human creative skill and imagination, typically in a visual form such as painting or sculpture, producing works to be appreciated primarily for their beauty or emotional power.
2. Works produced by such skill and imagination.

so please, explain to me as i am clearly missing something. what is tom six trying to express when he portrays a man ************ with sand paper? what emotion is he trying to convey? how skilled and how imaginative do you need to be to take a group of people and shove their heads up each other's ass holes?

there is literally no point being made here. it's a movie to shock and disgust, which is fine if you like that kind of thing. but it is not art and it is not creative.

[GommeInc]

People are assuming it's blocked because it's a gory film, when actually it's been blocked to meet the guidelines set out by the BBFC like thousands of other material. It goes beyond an 18, which is quite impressive Other things that have been banned from the general public are videos and pictures taken during wars which are too disgusting to be published e.g. people with their heads blown off and their brains flung across the ground.

It's not a film or art, although I think it should be made available to whoever really wants to view it - just don't show it on TV, in the cinema or in public, which is, I believe, the outcome of the ruling - it can't be shown publically or made obtainable to the public.

EDIT: Calling it art is a bit farfetched Modern art isn't art, it's just some loon throwing blankets on a bed, urinating everywhere and proclaiming to the world that it shows Ghandhi fighting the Jedi. Tis rubbish.

[Neversoft]

Yep.

What is wrong with you?

[-:Undertaker:-]

What is wrong with you?

I don't like this stuff, I would find snuff repulsive - however the fact that these people have consented between themselves to allow this to happen and to film it, is a private agreement between individuals and not my business or yours. In terms of watching a film concerning this, the same applies - when you watch a film you are simply paying for a service which is a private agreement.

Now what is the opposition to this where you find it so hard to allow this to happen? you know, its similar in a way to the legalisation of homosexuality. Many found and still find homosexuality downright disgusting however if they were to call for it to be banned on the grounds of it being disgusting i'm sure you among many would be outraged - its about allowing personal preference provided it does not harm others.

I believe in liberty, I accept there are tastes/lifestyles I do not agree with - however I don't feel the need to slap a ban on them.

[Judas]

I don't like this stuff, I would find snuff repulsive - however the fact that these people have consented between themselves to allow this to happen and to film it, is a private agreement between individuals and not my business or yours. In terms of watching a film concerning this, the same applies - when you watch a film you are simply paying for a service which is a private agreement.

Now what is the opposition to this where you find it so hard to allow this to happen? you know, its similar in a way to the legalisation of homosexuality. Many found and still find homosexuality downright disgusting however if they were to call for it to be banned on the grounds of it being disgusting i'm sure you among many would be outraged - its about allowing personal preference provided it does not harm others.

I believe in liberty, I accept there are tastes/lifestyles I do not agree with - however I don't feel the need to slap a ban on them.

that is such a poor example, filming someone die is nothing like two people of the same sex being in love ... though i can see what you're getting at.

[-:Undertaker:-]

that is such a poor example, filming someone die is nothing like two people of the same sex being in love ... though i can see what you're getting at.

They are a fitting example for one another. Let me explain, I can't use pedophilia for example because that is not consensual therefore I view it was wrong as I do with rape. Homosexuality on the other hand is consensual and although some may argue that it does harm (as snuff does), it remains a private agreement between individuals. The idea is, that what people wish to get up to in their bedroom is none of my concern, the concern of the state or yourself for that matter. The same applies to what people choose to watch, eat, draw, paint, film ~ what private agreements they sign between themselves provided it does not harm another individual.

Thus you have liberty. It does not mean we agree with it, wish to go and view it or even approve of it.

[Judas]

They are a fitting example for one another. Let me explain, I can't use pedophilia for example because that is not consensual therefore I view it was wrong as I do with rape. Homosexuality on the other hand is consensual and although some may argue that it does harm (as snuff does), it remains a private agreement between individuals. The idea is, that what people wish to get up to in their bedroom is none of my concern, the concern of the state or yourself for that matter. The same applies to what people choose to watch, eat, draw, paint, film ~ what private agreements they sign between themselves provided it does not harm another individual.

Thus you have liberty. It does not mean we agree with it, wish to go and view it or even approve of it.

yes but homosexuality is not just about "what happens in the bedroom", it's not something that would or should be kept private.

and someone getting killed on camera? i would consider that to be harmful, and people watching it for enjoyment is sick.

[Misawa]

You realise that the BBFC also regulate hardcore pornography?

Snuff films don't exist.

[Judas]

You realise that the BBFC also regulate hardcore pornography?

ummm.. i don't see what you're getting at with this