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[HotelUser]

... so when has their software failed? You dodged my question.

EDIT: Can we keep this up? I'll be hitting my 20k post soon!

Haha and I can name you times when Microsoft have failed me software wise in the past, sure.

When I've wanted to do application backups and restores onto new computers I've had to reinstall all my applications and manually backup any and all data from these applications manually.

Windows Update have caused me update loops and on one machine a kernel file to become corrupt therefore causing 13 BSODs last month which was a pain to fix.

When I open My Computer on a Windows Installation on a 4 core AMD machine it freezes for 5ish seconds until it loads all the appropriate information about the drives.

The installer for Microsoft Essentials (for MSN, Hotmail and whatever other crap they bundle in that installer of theirs) opens runs but gets the same error, when it's finding what it's installing the progress bar remains at 0%.

Emptying the recycling bin results in explorer.exe encountering a problem and having to restart.

When I right click and get that menu, then click out the menu fades away, only it doesn't fade away completely. It stays there partly faded away partly there.

When I want to enable my secondary monitor as so the setting to extend desktop displays I have to actually unplug the HDMI cable on the monitor and plug it back in (this happens on all external displays).

The top of Internet Explorer is completely black save for the address bar, but when I type a url into the bar and hit enter it stops responding and exits.

I do not know how to specifically narrow this down to a problem although I have never kept an installation of Windows for over half a year. At that point there are so many files on it, the registry is so big, so many installed applications that I just have to reinstall Windows because I want everything to be clean and fast again. I could reinstall OS X and it would run faster too because it was less as you would say bogged down, but I can blatantly notice the difference by a much larger margin when I do so on Windows.

I have also had problems running Ubuntu though most of those problems have been drivers (or a lack thereof), and I do believe some issues I've had with Windows have been driver related such as following a Windows Update all my sound drivers are gone and I have lost all audio. Although that isn't a good defense for Windows anyway even if it is manufacture's fault that they don't provide good drivers because I still can't use the OS with terrible drivers can I?

There are two problems with this iMac which have been driving me crazy. Sometimes when I come out of standby the box that's supposed to prompt you for your username and password doesn't come up and you have to go back into standby and come out for it to display.

The second is sometimes when coming out of standby OS X doesn't think you're connected to the internet and you have to replug the LAN cable in, though this issue was fixed after recent updates.

Edit: I wish to also point out that I wouldn't have mentioned these things but you asked me to so if you're looking to come back with an argument don't. You asked. Also I just want to say, regardless of what you, Gomme, Matt or anyone else may think, I have used and continue to use Windows and OS X. Again you may disagree until you are blue in the face, but I have had better luck running OS X. OS X has demonstrated more reliability for me. I do not come home and pull hairs out spending two hours trying to fix my Mac like I have in the past with Windows. If this has not been the case with you, then fine it hasn't been. But I do not care. I choose what runs the best for me, I make it work how I'd like it to work, and I can accomplish all my office, internet, im, designing and coding needs.

Also to everyone who invaded this thread with Windows remarks, I will remember this the next time a Mac user says something anti Microsoft / pro Apple in a Microsoft thread and you get angry

[Recursion]

Haha and I can name you times when Microsoft have failed me software wise in the past, sure.

When I've wanted to do application backups and restores onto new computers I've had to reinstall all my applications and manually backup any and all data from these applications manually.

Windows Update have caused me update loops and on one machine a kernel file to become corrupt therefore causing 13 BSODs last month which was a pain to fix.

When I open My Computer on a Windows Installation on a 4 core AMD machine it freezes for 5ish seconds until it loads all the appropriate information about the drives.

The installer for Microsoft Essentials opens runs but gets the same error, when it's finding what it's installing the progress bar remains at 0%.

Emptying the recycling bin results in explorer.exe encountering a problem and having to restart.

When I right click and get that menu, then click out the menu fades away, only it doesn't fade away completely. It stays there partly faded away partly there.

When I want to enable my secondary monitor as so the setting to extend desktop displays I have to actually unplug the HDMI cable on the monitor and plug it back in (this happens on all external displays).

The top of Internet Explorer is completely black save for the address bar, but when I type a url into the bar and hit enter it stops responding and exits.

I do not know how to specifically narrow this down to a problem although I have never kept an installation of Windows for over half a year. At that point there are so many files on it, the registry is so big, so many installed applications that I just have to reinstall Windows because I want everything to be clean and fast again. I could reinstall OS X and it would run faster too because it was less as you would say bogged down, but I can blatantly notice the difference by a much larger margin when I do so on Windows.

Fair issues to raise.

A) You can't narrow this down specifically to be Microsoft's problem, yes, it could have been a software update problem, but equally it could have been hardware failure or even a rogue application/virus/malware.

B) Not gunna lie, this sounds more like a drive issue, as in, slow or dying HDDs, I've encountered this a few times and a new drive has fixed the problem.

C) Fair enough, I've also experienced this.

D) This sounds like a driver or GPU issue to me.

E) I think it's realistically, unfair to criticise the Windows Registry, it's a central store of application and system information/settings, Mac OS X has the equivalent of these in the form of .plist files, which are scattered around the disk and cause it to slow over time due to fragmentation, you'd have to get a third party program to clean them up, as you would with the Windows Registry.

Look, lets end this, every OS has issues, but every OS has strengths. Macs are easier to use than Windows and have a proven track record in the creative industry, but Windows works far better in enterprise environments or as gaming machines. Fair to say, no?

[HotelUser]

Fair issues to raise.

A) You can't narrow this down specifically to be Microsoft's problem, yes, it could have been a software update problem, but equally it could have been hardware failure or even a rogue application/virus/malware.

B) Not gunna lie, this sounds more like a drive issue, as in, slow or dying HDDs, I've encountered this a few times and a new drive has fixed the problem.

C) Fair enough, I've also experienced this.

D) This sounds like a driver or GPU issue to me.

E) I think it's realistically, unfair to criticise the Windows Registry, it's a central store of application and system information/settings, Mac OS X has the equivalent of these in the form of .plist files, which are scattered around the disk and cause it to slow over time due to fragmentation, you'd have to get a third party program to clean them up, as you would with the Windows Registry.

Look, lets end this, every OS has issues, but every OS has strengths. Macs are easier to use than Windows and have a proven track record in the creative industry, but Windows works far better in enterprise environments or as gaming machines. Fair to say, no?

Gaming yes, enterprise environments I do not think you can say that cut and dry. I do not think it's harsh to criticize the registry only because the way applications are organized on Windows means you cannot back them up as easily. But more or less Windows 7 and OS X are damn good and I quite happily run them both.

[GommeInc]

if you're such an expert how come you're not working for a multi-billion pound company earning a million £ + per year salary?

Because I have the ability to criticise any company like any other human being? Since when was being critical unhuman :S So I bought a PS3 through genetics instead of an Xbox 360 because I have the inability to criticise? :S What is your point? I'm confused by your idea that criticism and critical thinking in general isn't human

[AgnesIO]

Because I have the ability to criticise any company like any other human being? Since when was being critical unhuman :S So I bought a PS3 through genetics instead of an Xbox 360 because I have the inability to criticise? :S What is your point? I'm confused by your idea that criticism and critical thinking in general isn't human

No. The difference is you probably had valid, factual reasons for getting a PS3 over an xBox. Whereas claiming Apple are poor at advertising is clearly not factual (since it doesn't take a genius to work out that their marketing skills in general are superb..) - and therefore the opinion is not really as valid, since you have based that opinion on false grounds/allegations.

[StefanWolves]

Lol this isn't going anywhere is it :/

[GommeInc]

No. The difference is you probably had valid, factual reasons for getting a PS3 over an xBox. Whereas claiming Apple are poor at advertising is clearly not factual (since it doesn't take a genius to work out that their marketing skills in general are superb..) - and therefore the opinion is not really as valid, since you have based that opinion on false grounds/allegations.

*facepalm* It's opinion and it's actually fact in some respects. Look at their advertisements and you'd see how poor their advertising campaigns are. Compare it with the Windows 7 advertisements:

Mac vs. PC advertisement: <insert dig at Microsoft> <insert another dig at Microsoft> <laugh> <insert another dig at Microsoft>

Microsoft Windows 7 advertisement: Use click-to to browse two windows simutaneously with one another. With Windows 7 you can *blah blah blah*

I have "facts" for buying Windows over OSX, so your first sentence is pure bile :/

An Apple advert doesn't advertise anything or tell the viewer what the product is about, it's why most Apple adverts are banned in the UK because they're usually false advertising (Mac vs. PC ads) or not telling you anything. Do you not watch television at all? Do you not read articles on tech related websites? They're not superb at all, they're trashy pieces of tat that only amaze the simple or people who buy into the organisation.

Lol this isn't going anywhere is it :/

Are you going to suggest people aren't allowed opinions and/or the ability to criticise without being a god or a worker for an organisation again?

EDIT: And since when did I say it was fact? :S

[StefanWolves]

haha that was pulled out of thin air, some random dude earlier just came in shouting the odds saying i said people weren't allowed opinions people like that who spread ******** really piss me off

[GommeInc]

haha that was pulled out of thin air, some random dude earlier just came in shouting the odds saying i said people weren't allowed opinions people like that who spread ******** really piss me off

He had a point:

Its funny watching people on this forum criticise Apples marketing... Yea, right, because you lot know better than the Marketing experts who are paid £millions per year employed by Apple

You have pretty much told everyone that they are not allowed an opinion on Apple if they do not work for their marketing team

[StefanWolves]

I'm sorry but can you quote me where I said 'no one else deserves an opinion cause you're all wrong' ?

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people read to much into things