Amy Winehouse found dead

[HotelUser]

**** me you are so ignorant

that is not always the case. sometimes people's lives are so complicated and destroyed by depression and mental health issues that there is no where else to turn to and their demons get the better of them.

i don't expect someone as ignorant as you to ever understand until it happens to someone you know or yourself. even though i really dislike you, after seeing what happened to my friend's brother i would never wish something like that on anyone.

I fail to see why you're bringing in personal scenarios here because just about every single night my brother and his army of friends camp in my basement and I can smell smoke and weed from up here on a different floor.

Just because things get rough does not justify doing something which is nothing more than a quick fix, which will only end up making things worse, and put you at a health risk. I shall repeat: there are different healthy outlets people can always pursue in order to recover from bad spots in life. Just because things get hard does not constitute giving up and throwing your life away. Perhaps you best read my previous post over again because there are a lot of people in the world who have endured pure hell yet they have not fallen to the wrath of drugs. Please, what a pathetic excuse for doing something so silly.

[buttons]

A singular sentenced definition of pedophilia is insufficient. Any medical professional would say there is a level of addiction because it's a fact that there is. I feel like I am trying to tel you the colour blue is blue and you are trying to say otherwise.



Of course I am not ignoring those stories, and they're tragic and I feel bad for the victims. There are/were soldiers who come back from war after having endured all their friends dying in horrific deaths. Witnessing gouging, murder, suffering beyond anyone's wildest dreams yet there are soldiers
within this group whom do not get addicted to drugs? No matter how bad it gets you. do. not. have. to. take. drugs. It is not the end all solution you do not have to do it. You can justify why you take them as much as you want but at the end of the day it's illegal, it's unhealthy and I stand by what I say when I say taking them is unnecessary and above all more stupid than anything I've ever heard in my entire life. Amy very well could have died from surplus exposure to drugs. Isn't it absolutely obvious that if that's the case and if she never got involved with drugs in the first place that she'd still be alive today? How about instead of making excuses for people's actions to justify the reasons people do dangerous, reckless and stupid things, we just own up to those things and not do them anymore. Drugs are not the only outlet to the world's problems and the people's suffering. The very notion that it is the most logical and reasonable approach to overcoming any sort of calamity is absurd.

no i don't believe that is the case at all, even if she never took drugs i don't think she would have been alive much longer than she already did. her life was ruined BEFORE she took drugs, the reason she took drugs was because of depression like many drug addicts. she has tried to commit suicide before and wishes she was dead just before she died, which may well be the case here so i'm getting tired of the whole 'she deserved it for taking drugs'. yes there is no need to take drugs at all and there are better ways of getting rid of depression but if it was that easy would we have people doing it in the first place? they probably don't want to live or get better in the first place but drugs are addictive and make you feel happier apparently so it's clear why some may go that way. not everyone is simply cured through time or talking (believe me, if youve been through depression and fought it then i'd love to know your story), i've never been in the position of taking drugs to cope but have seen people around me who have turned to drugs because of depression and i don't thnk they're all bad people. she never harmed anyone!


& as for people doing stupid, reckless and destructive stuff to themselves then jokes on you because we do them every day. maybe look at the **** you eat and the stuff you put on your body but that's another story. not sure anyone has ever said it is the most logical or reasonable approach, you like to over exaggerate i suppose. the point is she is dead, people saw it coming because they were worried she was suicidal. look at the amount of famous people who died from drug related deaths but are still huge icons, i think Amy will be the same. I don't believe drugs are the way forward as i've went through hell and back because of someone's addiction but I'm not coming in to a thread to say she deserves it or to argue over pointless comparisons which you're doing now that has nothing to do with her/drugs or anything other than you and others trying to get one over the other :S

anyways i'm out i'll let the big boys argue

[Judas]

I fail to see why you're bringing in personal scenarios here because just about every single night my brother and his army of friends camp in my basement and I can smell smoke and weed from up here on a different floor.

Just because things get rough does not justify doing something which is nothing more than a quick fix, which will only end up making things worse, and put you at a health risk. I shall repeat: there are different healthy outlets people can always pursue in order to recover from bad spots in life. Just because things get hard does not constitute giving up and throwing your life away. Perhaps you best read my previous post over again because there are a lot of people in the world who have endured pure hell yet they have not fallen to the wrath of drugs. Please, what a pathetic excuse for doing something so silly.

how is that relevant to the discussion

okay, fine. it's like talking to a brick wall. you try telling that to a victim or their family.

[HotelUser]

no i don't believe that is the case at all, even if she never took drugs i don't think she would have been alive much longer than she already did. her life was ruined BEFORE she took drugs, the reason she took drugs was because of depression like many drug addicts. she has tried to commit suicide before and wish she was dead, which may well be the case here so i'm getting tired of the whole 'she deserved it for taking drugs'. yes there is no need to take drugs at all and there are better ways of getting rid of depression but if it was that easy would we have people doing it in the first place? they probably don't want to live or get better in the first place but drugs are addictive and make you feel happier apparently so it's clear why some may go that way. not everyone is simply cured through time or talking (believe me, if youve been through depression ans fought it then i'd love to know your story) but i've never been in the position of taking drugs to cope but have seen people around me who have turned to drugs because of depression....
& as for people doing stupid, reckless and destructive stuff to themselves then jokes on you because we do them every day. maybe look at the **** you eat and the stuff you put on your body but that's another story. not sure anyone has ever said it is the most logical or reasonable approach l, you like to over exaggerate i suppose. the point is she is dead, people saw it coming because they were worried she was suicidal. look at the amount of famous people who died from drug related deaths but are still huge icons, i think Amy will be the same. I don't believe drugs are the way forward as i've went through hell and back because of someone's addiction but I'm not coming in to a thread to say she deserves it or to argue over pointless comparisons which you're doing now that has nothing to do with her/drugs or anything other than you and others trying to get one over the other :S
anyways i'm I'll let the big boys argue

Really good points here Jen, and I would never say she deserved to die. It's pretty cruel that anyone would say that! I don't actually know who she is as she wasn't known over here but it's a shame to hear that she was even on the road to death before she started doing drugs.

My only quarrel here is that I believe there are other ways of dealing with genuine problems people face throughout life other than resorting to drugs. As you said they might be the harder ways of getting over sore spots but they're the more healthy and lasting approaches of doing it.

how is that relevant to the discussion

okay, fine. it's like talking to a brick wall. you try telling that to a victim or their family.

Pretty much everything you said wasn't relavent to any of the points I mentioned. Don on the other hand has actually brought up some fair points about definitions of pedophilia and though we shall agree to disagree I can still totally see his perspective.

I wouldn't have to tell a victim's family that. I think, especially if (god forbid) a family member passed away due to drugs, that the rest of their family would already of wished the victim had never started taking them in the first place.

A brick wall, huh? The properties of aluminum oxide and silicone oxide are quite superior to other compounds

[samsaBEAR]

If someone is stupid enough to dabble with dangerous drugs time after time then they deserve everything that happens to them

[Judas]

Pretty much everything you said wasn't relavent to any of the points I mentioned. Don on the other hand has actually brought up some fair points about definitions of pedophilia and though we shall agree to disagree I can still totally see his perspective.

I wouldn't have to tell a victim's family that. I think, especially if (god forbid) a family member passed away due to drugs, that the rest of their family would already of wished the victim had never started taking them in the first place.

A brick wall, huh? The properties of aluminum oxide and silicone oxide are quite superior to other compounds

well obviously everyone wished she never took them, but she did, thanks to her mental health issues. and now her family have lost her.

If someone is stupid enough to dabble with dangerous drugs time after time then they deserve everything that happens to them

and you're a completely ignorant fool congratulations

[The Don]

If someone is stupid enough to dabble with dangerous drugs time after time then they deserve everything that happens to them

.,~* Starts Circle again *~,.

She didn't deserve to die for using drugs, she was foolish for using them originally BUT I understand and can sympathize with her reasons for originally using. People aren't as strong willed as others, if you hit rock bottom, and someone encourages you to do something, suggesting that it can 'make things feel better' and you happen to be a weak willed person, you're going to do it. Once she did it, she soon became addicted and obviously addiction isn't easy to cure. She tried to get clean and change her life so to suggest that she deserves what's happened to her, I find that a naive and incredibly harsh thing to say.

[Gina]

well obviously everyone wished she never took them, but she did, thanks to her mental health issues. and now her family have lost her.



and you're a completely ignorant fool congratulations

Your negitivity is starting to get on my nerves.
They're are right, they are to blame, she was the one taking the drugs, shes the one who took an overdose, who else is there to blame? But even tho its her fault I don't belive she deserved to die.

[Imosae]

Well done for dieing .

[Judas]

Your negitivity is starting to get on my nerves.
They're are right, they are to blame, she was the one taking the drugs, shes the one who took an overdose, who else is there to blame? But even tho its her fault I don't belive she deserved to die.

sorry for being negative whilst discussing the death of a human being ... something which is usually considered a negative event.

1) she was addicted. it's not as simple as just stopping.
2) have you done a post mortem on her body yourself? because the cause of death is still UNKNOWN, so i appreciate the breaking news.