Downtime..

[AgnesIO]

Not being funny, but I seriously doubts it costs Sierk/Jin money (or very much at least).

I am sure they are not THAT stupid to keep a website going that is evidently making a loss and costing them money..

[Chippiewill]

Unless say, I dunno, they cared about the community? Nah, that's such a dumb idea.[/sarcasm]

[Recursion]

More downtime just then. Bloody standard, literally.

[GommeInc]

ahah that wasn't a serious suggestion

there are thousands of barriers and it'll take a lot more effort money and time than it's worth

It might be easier to keep pressurising Habbo on this issue. Habbox has a good track record with Habbo, with no history of scamming members of the community and on Habbo. Habbox does Habbo a service by existing, and fansites probably keep the lousy game/franchise alive :/

[Adam]

If they spend so much on servers they're idiots. Plain as day. Especially considering they don't work!

[Recursion]

If they spend so much on servers they're idiots. Plain as day. Especially considering they don't work!

Jin does work, hence why he needs to delegate tasks when he's not around.

[brandon]

Jin does work, hence why he needs to delegate tasks when he's not around.

I think he was referring to the servers not working rather than Jin.

[nvrspk4]

An odd post for you Considering it was an easily avoidable situation, where by just letting e-mails and notifications reach whoever receives them could of solved the problem, especially when it appears to of been going on for two months - so goodness knows why someone has managed to hide these important notifications for so long. Additionally to that, many members here seem to know what is going on. Yes, Jin is good for paying out of pocket to keep Habbox afloat, but he could do himself so many favours if he fixed these server issues which cripple and ruin the Habbox community on a constant basis. Trust and respect are one thing, but they don't keep problems at bay.

I don't disagree that Jin should fix things, absolutely. I just take issue with the point that was made that "Jin needs to fix X or stand aside for someone who can." I don't have any problem with the first half, I do have problems with the second half

Besides, no one seems to challenge Habbo over these disgusting work practices they have in place. Has anyone pushed them for an answer over VIP again? If I was you I would just do it, Habbo get a lot out of Habbox and their arguments for closing websites just seems like fighting talk that won't go anywhere. You clearly state they own the Habbo name and images, and you're not making money out of Habbo as it goes straight back to them - you do Habbo related events and competitions which go straight back towards Habbo and their evil organisation. You're doing them a service, not the other way round I'd push for some answers at least, and set the record straight as Habbo clearly have a lot of seriously imbred individuals working for them - the key is to talk slowly and down to them, judging by the way you have to talk to their moderators and staff

I tried it, and I also had a bit of a strategy for challenging Habbo after I left which involved making me the fall guy if they actually got mad. That said, I wonder if fair use policy applies to our use of Habbo materials - it does apply to YouTube etc. However, if we go with a real server company, they would rather shut is down and let us deal with the legal issues...possible upside of being hosted on our own server.

If this is what happens when Jin is out in a place with no internet for a short while then what would happen if he:

-Died?
-Went into a Coma?
-Got caught up in some sort of mahem and was arrested?

A site of this size should not be reliant on one person.

It's not, it's a redundant system, Sierk is usually around, he was just on holiday. If Sierk and Jin both go randomly missing, we'll clearly know it's an evil Habbo Staff ploy.

omg can people not read or something? This recent problem was nothing to do with the ongoing server problems we have, and having someone else get full admin rights to everything wouldn't have fixed it unless that person was willing to support Hx through their own finances like Jin does. This was essentially just a filing mistake, and one that I'm sure won't happen again even come 2013

+1.

So in short - too much imbreeding in the Habbo ranks? If they clearly lack the brains to figure out that Habbox ISN'T a malicious site, but one that has been devoted, loyal and useful to the Habbo franchise and Sulakes greasy little fingers, then it's no wonder Habbo Hotel and Sulake have lost so much faith in the Habbo Community - and it's no wonder the Habbo experience is, in what modern talk would describe as, '****'. Habbo standards have slipped, and they clearly have the wrong people in charge. Why punish the masses when they can easily deal with the minority who are selling off products they do not own? Why should they care when the liability is in the hands of the idiots who are being scammed? I'd keep pushing them for answers and constantly badger them about why they are punishing Habbox when they know Habbox isn't a malicious, scam and fraud site. It's ridiculous. Habbox has a good reputation with Habbo, it should be allowed to sell or offer VIP as that was incredibly popular with members of the board and worth the money you gave for the features.

Let's be honest, they realize VIP is of no harm. However, the idea is that the userbase is made of individuals with limited funds. Thus, they figure that if they reduce the sale of VIP, it will leave more disposable income for Habbos to buy credits. And it's not an illogical thought process, just douchy.

They (Jin or someone else) got reminders about the expiration dates and late payments notice. Not sure what they meant by filing away but I assume emails. It was easily avoidable, let's be honest

Agreed, and he admitted that, and it's been fixed now.

EDIT: Also, people will still sell Habbo goods that they do not own - they cannot find them and when they do they've caught 1 person out of a few thousand. They cannot stop it, and to punish the good, decent fansites for this is barbaric and wrong on oh so many levels.

Barbaric, eh, wrong, agreed. Good business, bad PR. Is it worth it? I don't think so, but clearly I'm not the CEO.

I doubt Habbox gets paid by Sierk and Jin for some reason, im sure advertisement, donator pays for it all.
They manage to afford things such as the support suite, flashchat etc...

When we were selling VIP, yes. Why do you think we had the sponsored ads at the top? As someone who's seen the cashflow, yes sierk has put money out for the site in the past. I can't speak for certain about the current situation, but having been in management when we stopped selling VIP, I can tell you that there is a significant difference.

Not being funny, but I seriously doubts it costs Sierk/Jin money (or very much at least).

I am sure they are not THAT stupid to keep a website going that is evidently making a loss and costing them money..

Was profitable at once, and they're probably not paying out thousands of pounds a year out of pocket, but they definitely are (or at least definitely have) paid.

It might be easier to keep pressurising Habbo on this issue. Habbox has a good track record with Habbo, with no history of scamming members of the community and on Habbo. Habbox does Habbo a service by existing, and fansites probably keep the lousy game/franchise alive :/

Agreed.

[Showder]

Jin is not really doing anything isn't he?

[GommeInc]

I don't disagree that Jin should fix things, absolutely. I just take issue with the point that was made that "Jin needs to fix X or stand aside for someone who can." I don't have any problem with the first half, I do have problems with the second half

I tried it, and I also had a bit of a strategy for challenging Habbo after I left which involved making me the fall guy if they actually got mad. That said, I wonder if fair use policy applies to our use of Habbo materials - it does apply to YouTube etc. However, if we go with a real server company, they would rather shut is down and let us deal with the legal issues...possible upside of being hosted on our own server.

Let's be honest, they realize VIP is of no harm. However, the idea is that the userbase is made of individuals with limited funds. Thus, they figure that if they reduce the sale of VIP, it will leave more disposable income for Habbos to buy credits. And it's not an illogical thought process, just douchy.

Barbaric, eh, wrong, agreed. Good business, bad PR. Is it worth it? I don't think so, but clearly I'm not the CEO.

It's a good argument, at the end of the day it's whoever pays for Habbox who is going to suffer for it. It seems the efforts to boost membership to Habbox were near enough completely destroyed when the downtime happened. Yes it is nice that someone can put themselves out of pocket each month, but there's a limit to that when the servers do not work to their full capacity without issues (though as we all know, this instance was due to someone ignoring final notices, than a server hitch, though it seems people are reporting on them again). People use Habbox to socialise and to show off their volunteering capabilities - when it's down for simple, easy to avoid reasons it becomes a huge issue and incredibly frustrating to many

In normal instances it would be fine. Wikias, independent Wiki alliances(?), Wikipedia, fansites etc. all use disclaimers to tell people visiting the site that they do not own the images or names, and the intellectual property is with the actual company they belong to. Habbo are just too derpy and wish to challenge this further, when actually there should be no problems. If Habbo was normal, they would take the normal, cost effective route and take down sites as and when they break disclaimers and the law. So yes, your fair use policy would cover this anyway, as it did happily for about 5 years prior to the derpification of Habbo took over, and the CEO of Sulake's wife and son had a illegitimate love child together and made that the boss of Community Relations (yes that is another attack on possible imbreeding at Habbo )

It is pretty illogical, not all Donators or VIP subscribers are Habbo Players, and many fansites were donated to by Habbos who either bought furniture or had kept it for years which can then be reused in the Habbo Market Place (that's the whole trade system and economy, not their marketplace feature) creating more possibilities of money being spent on the system. Fansites also bought furniture and had the funds to do so. Heck, they could of taken a more ethical approach and made a new fansite list where the fansites can pay to be on the list, so they get some coverage while also keeping the Official Fansites list available to those voted into that position to get maximum coverage beyond the paid list - it's one of making money out of fansites at least, and completely legal. I doubt they have got any more money from fansites dropping VIP by force. From what I can tell, Habbo have done pretty badly the last few years, dropping country based Habbo communities in favour of languages. Do they even get as much sponsorship? They probably make most of their money from sponsors than the Habbo Community