Teen Commits Suicide Due to Bullying

[FlyingJesus]

No I'm ridiculing the entire concept as it's clearly a load of tosh, and it is relevant because anyone who attempts to start a political agenda ought to have at least some logical backing to their overall idea.

[Judas]

No I'm ridiculing the entire concept as it's clearly a load of tosh, and it is relevant because anyone who attempts to start a political agenda ought to have at least some logical backing to their overall idea.

Except it's really not relevant because that concept has nothing to do with her political involvement in the situation.

All she has said is "bullying must become illegal", so for you to suggest she has no backing to her idea, which we don't even know the specifics of (I hope it's not a brand new law), is silly.

[Slowpoke]

So beautiful, give this a watch guys

[beth]

I may not be an impressionable child but once upon a time I was young and I'm quite capable of remembering what it's like. I'm also able to confirm 100% that if a victim tells the teachers about bullying, it will only make things worse. To quote one instance, a boy in my science classes was advised to keep a list of people who had bullied him, and one of our fabulous group called out to him in the next lesson "Liam, if you put me in your bully book I will set fire to your cat". There really is nothing that can be done short of total 24/7 supervision, as true to Gaga's wonderful born this way propaganda some people were born to be on top and some were born to be the victims of the upper circles

completely agree with the bolded parts (apart from you being young once... old irl), i do believe the world is dog eat dog (as sinister as that sounds) and that some people will always be underfoot and while the majority may not see that as right, it will always happen and nothing will change that. if bullying was "banned" it'd just increase the bullies desire to bully. the same with teenage drug/alcohol abuse. in france children/teens see drinking as a healthy available thing, and henceforth do not drink as much. over here teenagers are told NOT to drink, so they want to more. same principle with bullying. if someone was to tell me i wasn't allowed to idk, take the piss out of 'fred's hair, i'd probably do it even more so.

Anyway, you know full well that's not what her whole message is. Let me get this straight. By your logic; rapists, murderers and terrorists were born to do such things so it's okay and we shouldn't try to stop it, just as bullying a young child until he kills himself is acceptable?

And in the case you mentioned, the kid should have contacted the police as that was a serious threat.

i definitely believe that certain people are born to do certain things, but the logic doesn't mean we should condone it. no-one condones bullying even if we let it happen. if someone told you they were kicking out of sixth form for example for cyber bullying, you'd judge them and that alone would be their punishment. even if they were proud of being a bully they would have to live with the judgement of others for the rest of their lives. same with rapist/murders/etc they live with the consequences of being in prisons.

and the cat thing hahahha, for real? you'd ring the police for that?

So beautiful, give this a watch guys

as lovely as that is, the problem is that he's dead now and gaga only noticed him BECAUSE he killed himself. the only message this sends out is "tweet gaga, then kill yrself, then get a gaga song dedicated to you."

[Slowpoke]

Wrong. She's trying to raise awareness of what bullying results in! She's a campaigner about bullies for a hell of a long time and has lead many of the campaigns herself. You're making out that it's an attempt to gain publicity for herself when it's not that at all, she's trying to show that bullying needs to be dealt with more seriously, hence the hard-hitting performance

[Judas]

i definitely believe that certain people are born to do certain things, but the logic doesn't mean we should condone it. no-one condones bullying even if we let it happen. if someone told you they were kicking out of sixth form for example for cyber bullying, you'd judge them and that alone would be their punishment. even if they were proud of being a bully they would have to live with the judgement of others for the rest of their lives. same with rapist/murders/etc they live with the consequences of being in prisons.

and the cat thing hahahha, for real? you'd ring the police for that?

I don't think that someone getting judged for victimizing a person day in day out until they commit suicide is a suitable punishment.

And yes, I'm for real? Animal cruelty is an offense. If someone seriously threatened to set fire to my dog or cat or god forbid they actually did it I would get the police involved. And if they weren't being serious then Tom making a point of bringing that story up is invalid.

as lovely as that is, the problem is that he's dead now and gaga only noticed him BECAUSE he killed himself. the only message this sends out is "tweet gaga, then kill yrself, then get a gaga song dedicated to you."

:rolleyes: How else do you expect her to have noticed him? I think she has better things to do than sit on Twitter all day scrolling through her millions of mentions. You saying that kind of implies that any tribute to any dead person is a bad thing.

[FlyingJesus]

The story is valid because it's about bullying, you don't have to follow through with ridiculous nonthreats like that for your actions to be considered bullying...

As for Gaga, regardless of what she's truly after (which I'm sure you know far better than I, being her best friend and all) she is quite clearly riding this story like a jockey on a prize racehorse, going all out to show herself up as this wonderful saviour of the people thing she pretends to be without actually having the allegorical winning legs herself. It's a worthwhile analogy to consider as the racehorse only gets flogged harder in the future for doing well and any bully victims who decide to stand up for themselves because of Gaga will also be attacked more heavily, while the jockey and Gaga enjoy their money and their popularity. Do people genuinely think she's the first, the last or even the most important person to have said that bullying isn't very nice? Does anyone really believe that she's capable of drafting a pragmatic piece of legislation that will make even the tiniest bit of difference, and if so that it'll actually get moved through the courts? Do me a favour.

[The Don]

Why do you keep bringing up the whole born this way when it's completely irrelevant to the point?

Anyway, you know full well that's not what her whole message is. Let me get this straight. By your logic; rapists, murderers and terrorists were born to do such things so it's okay and we shouldn't try to stop it, just as bullying a young child until he kills himself is acceptable?

And in the case you mentioned, the kid should have contacted the police as that was a serious threat.

You're comparing the social hierarchy which is the natural order of things in schools to a terroist going out and killing the public? nothing was stopping him from standing up for himself, telling someone or moving schools (not that he should of had to) but people have far worse things going on in their lives than getting teased. Some kids tried to pick on me, i stood up for myself, they didn't bother me again.

[Jordan:A]

Saw this today in the Metro
http://www.metro.co.uk/music/876642-...-vegas-concert

[Judas]

You're comparing the social hierarchy which is the natural order of things in schools to a terroist going out and killing the public? nothing was stopping him from standing up for himself, telling someone or moving schools (not that he should of had to) but people have far worse things going on in their lives than getting teased. Some kids tried to pick on me, i stood up for myself, they didn't bother me again.

There's a difference between having a social hierachy than someone being told "kill yourself because you're gay" everyday. It's not just being teased, and from what I've heard this kid did try to stand up for himself but it only made things worse.

He DID tell people, but no one listened to him. If you look at his Tumblr and Twitter accounts he always spoke about how people bullied him at school, but no one did anything.

Also, the kids that victimized him day in and day out were responsible for his death, so they effectively killed him... kind of

(which I'm sure you know far better than I, being her best friend and all)

Get a grip :rolleyes:

she is quite clearly riding this story like a jockey on a prize racehorse, going all out to show herself up as this wonderful saviour of the people thing she pretends to be without actually having the allegorical winning legs herself.

Obviously I disagree, but even if that is the case what she's doing is only raising positive awareness against bullying, so regardless of whether she's doing it for personal gain or not is cancelled out by the fact that she IS trying to do something productive instead of lazy slacktivism that other celebrities practice.

Do people genuinely think she's the first, the last or even the most important person to have said that bullying isn't very nice?

Such a pointless and stupid thing to say, obviously no one thinks that and she isn't claiming it either :rolleyes:. You're suggesting that only one person is allowed to speak out against an issue like bullying?

Does anyone really believe that she's capable of drafting a pragmatic piece of legislation that will make even the tiniest bit of difference, and if so that it'll actually get moved through the courts? Do me a favour.

Probably, but I don't. However I also don't see how anything but good can come out of her efforts.