Steve Jobs vowed to destroy Android

[GommeInc]

Have you actually read the book?

If you honestly think there would be less dirt on any of the other brand leaders then you need to think again.

Nope, do not want to waste my money. I was going to until many reputatable sites started reporting on it and quoted on these ridiculous claims and statements made by Jobs.

And not sure what you're talking about in the last bit.

[AgnesIO]

Nope, do not want to waste my money. I was going to until many reputatable sites started reporting on it and quoted on these ridiculous claims and statements made by Jobs.

And not sure what you're talking about in the last bit.

And let me guess, none of these websites have commented on the positive bits?

And it was hardly difficult to work it out.. I was commenting on the fact that if Gates, Schmidt, Hirai and all the other massive company leaders died tomorrow, there would be similar comments by all of them. The fact is, you clearly refuse to think of ANYTHING positive about Apple (and let me say, I am not their biggest fan, with a grand total of 0 apple products), but I can see what an intelligent man Jobs was, as well as the huge success of the company. The fact you can't it quite simply, laughable.

[GommeInc]

And let me guess, none of these websites have commented on the positive bits?

And it was hardly difficult to work it out.. I was commenting on the fact that if Gates, Schmidt, Hirai and all the other massive company leaders died tomorrow, there would be similar comments by all of them. The fact is, you clearly refuse to think of ANYTHING positive about Apple (and let me say, I am not their biggest fan, with a grand total of 0 apple products), but I can see what an intelligent man Jobs was, as well as the huge success of the company. The fact you can't it quite simply, laughable.

They report on both the good and bad, but at the moment the main reports are based on this quote that Jobs wants to destroy Android because it's an extremely controversial thing to say. Like Descartes saying God is real because it is undoubtable, when it is I quite clearly have been talking about Jobs the whole time, not Apple so don't get those two mixed up Gates has already written a few books about his life and charity work, the problems inside Microsoft and with other companies, and Gates isn't known to be rude towards his employees, swearing uncontrollably and generally being a hypocrite and megalomaniac. Even if he and others had, they would get the same response but with Jobs there is a huge difference - he is considered a god amongst men while Gates, Schmidt etc. merrily go through life saying very little controversial things or having a set of double standards, like Jobs. The fact you're cementing over these suggests you're more interested in personal attacks, than the matter at hand.

Also, you're basing your argument on assumptions and things no-one has said. Jobs did make a successful company, I never said he hadn't and he was clearly an intelligent man, I have stated numerously how successful a marketing man he was. So I'm not sure why you're now making up things I've said :S

When reports flew in he died I said:

Saw this last night as it happened. Such a shock that it happened so suddenly. Jobs and many other individuals have helped shaped the world we see today. A remarkably interesting man to read about, he was good at marketing a product and quite a good, influential business man. His passing will have a huge impact.

Doesn't make things like wanting to destroy Android acceptable, when he is guilty of copying other companies and imitation, but it doesn't suggest he was thick either, which again I've never stated

[AgnesIO]

They report on both the good and bad, but at the moment the main reports are based on this quote that Jobs wants to destroy Android because it's an extremely controversial thing to say. Like Descartes saying God is real because it is undoubtable, when it is I quite clearly have been talking about Jobs the whole time, not Apple so don't get those two mixed up Gates has already written a few books about his life and charity work, the problems inside Microsoft and with other companies, and Gates isn't known to be rude towards his employees, swearing uncontrollably and generally being a hypocrite and megalomaniac. Even if he and others had, they would get the same response but with Jobs there is a huge difference - he is considered a god amongst men while Gates, Schmidt etc. merrily go through life saying very little controversial things or having a set of double standards, like Jobs. The fact you're cementing over these suggests you're more interested in personal attacks, than the matter at hand.

Also, you're basing your argument on assumptions and things no-one has said. Jobs did make a successful company, I never said he hadn't and he was clearly an intelligent man, I have stated numerously how successful a marketing man he was. So I'm not sure why you're now making up things I've said :S

When reports flew in he died I said:



Doesn't make things like wanting to destroy Android acceptable, when he is guilty of copying other companies and imitation, but it doesn't suggest he was thick either, which again I've never stated

Same goes to you, don't make up things I have said? I never said you said that he wasn't, but your attitude over him and Apple are just silly. The thing is, if Jobs was an autocratic leader (which he was), he is going to ship out orders a lot more than Schmidt at Google (who really isn't Autocratic..) But I am sure every single one business man in the world would love to be able to wipe out the competition to make everyone buy their product - after all, companies constantly look at new product ideas to make sure their product is original and no one else has it (cough facial recognition of Android 4.0).

I just think it is amusing that everyone suddenly feels it is fine (including you, the one who said it is disgusting to keep bringing him up when he is dead :rolleyes to rip him apart now - when he cannot stand up for himself. How very brave. Another point with Jobs, is that he was always 'out there' and got his views heard, whereas people such as Gates and Schmidt are not always the main men to be heard - especially Gates now he isn't running Microsoft as such anymore, whereas Jobs was right up until a few weeks before his death.

[GommeInc]

Same goes to you, don't make up things I have said? I never said you said that he wasn't, but your attitude over him and Apple are just silly. The thing is, if Jobs was an autocratic leader (which he was), he is going to ship out orders a lot more than Schmidt at Google (who really isn't Autocratic..) But I am sure every single one business man in the world would love to be able to wipe out the competition to make everyone buy their product - after all, companies constantly look at new product ideas to make sure their product is original and no one else has it (cough facial recognition of Android 4.0).

Yes you did, here:

The fact is, you clearly refuse to think of ANYTHING positive about Apple (and let me say, I am not their biggest fan, with a grand total of 0 apple products), but I can see what an intelligent man Jobs was, as well as the huge success of the company. The fact you can't it quite simply, laughable.

You're making assumptions based from no where. I never said Apple wasn't successful and I never said he wasn't intelligent. It's written in black and white, you're literally making up things I've said by making assumptions based on nothing. When did i say he wasn't intelligent then and that Apple is unsuccessful?

Also, facial recognition has been in Android since 1.6. My phone has it. It's ancient, cameras have had a simple version of it for years now. It's basic product evolution theory that phones with it now utilise the Facebook face recognition service to match faces. It's part of the point that Jobs was a bit of a fool assuming that products cannot evolve, they must be kept to an original state when the iPhone itself has stolen concepts from other products and evolved over time anyway.

I just think it is amusing that everyone suddenly feels it is fine (including you, the one who said it is disgusting to keep bringing him up when he is dead :rolleyes to rip him apart now - when he cannot stand up for himself. How very brave. Another point with Jobs, is that he was always 'out there' and got his views heard, whereas people such as Gates and Schmidt are not always the main men to be heard - especially Gates now he isn't running Microsoft as such anymore, whereas Jobs was right up until a few weeks before his death.

As previously mentioned, it was the media saying things for him and making up statistics and facts which were pointless and spoken as if on behalf of Jobs. That's when it is wrong, because it's always a bit disrespectful to talk on behalf of a dead man and profiting off him with mindless opinions. They kept digging him up for their own benefit. Now that a book has come out with actual quotes by him and about him, it's become controversial and a problem. It is a stupid thing to say. Just because he's dead doesn't make him wrong, and my God is he wrong for saying what he has said about Android Perhaps we should blame the media again for bringing up something he has actually said in this dodgy corporate climate, where Android is successful in its own right and court cases across the glob are hindering creativity, choice and identity?

Do you not find it is wrong of Jobs to want to destroy Android for his own benefit, when many people use it and prefer it over the iPhone? Consumers are allowed a choice, and Android is successful because of its users as they show how successful a product is. As many people here and elsewhere have said, it's coming off as greedy and selfish. If he was alive I'm sure people would love to have him argue why and be disproven.

[HotelUser]

He might not have created the smartphone industry but it was absolutely useless before the iPhone. Apple did what Palm, RIM and Microsoft did not do which was to bring mobile computing into the modern century by releasing the first smartphone which set the standards for devices. His decisions were game changing, and to suggest that the mobile phone industry was even remotely what it is now before the iPhone would be pure nonsense.

As I have said in the past you just really hate Apple and will criticize them no matter what they do or what happens really.

Pretty much. The media take no prisoners, they dig up the dead and have them spout rubbish and then create sensationalist stories based on false truths.

Thankfully a few websites have been citing his book (which means not having to pay for his book ) and the vulgar language quoted from Jobs is horrific. What's shocking is he believes he can control consumer choice by suggesting Android should be destroyed when clearly Android is more popular than his product. It's customers that control the successfulness of a product, not Jobs. What's even more shocking is that he has stolen concepts before and is claimed to be innovative in doing so, then has a huff when his contested ideas are imitated. He did not invent multi-touch, he did not invent Siri, he did not invent the Mobile OS, he did not invent the smartphone... The list is endless. He was just a good marketer, he knew how to sell a product but unfortunately took the credit when many Apple employees thought up the ideas, designed them and produced them, or other companies did.

If he was still alive I'd love to slap him hard across the face for his hypocrisy. They say not to speak ill of the dead, but he's making it very difficult by saying ridiculous nonsense from beyond the grave.

[GommeInc]

He might not have created the smartphone industry but it was absolutely useless before the iPhone. Apple did what Palm, RIM and Microsoft did not do which was to bring mobile computing into the modern century by releasing the first smartphone which set the standards for devices. His decisions were game changing, and to suggest that the mobile phone industry was even remotely what it is now before the iPhone would be pure nonsense.

As I have said in the past you just really hate Apple and will criticize them no matter what they do or what happens really.

Again you make wild accusations. When did I say he and Apple weren't game changers? I was posting fact, that he did not invent the smartphone - he just changed the way it works which I actually admire if you bothered reading my posts in the Steve Jobs passes away thread His only innovations were his marketing tactics - his keen way of advertising and making a crisp product. My only 'beef' with Apple and Jobs is that they're dirty fighters, who feel the need to self-praise and be anti-competitive when the company and Jobs were all pro-competition until they saw themselves on top

I'm sure I've been saying on here for years that Apple products are good, it's just a shame Apple own them

Also, at Marketing. Apple is technically a monocracy - a system of Government by only one person. You very rarely hear of people lower down than Jobs (which would make an autocracy), which is probably why people assume he does everything in Apple, when really he's just the person with the seal of approval stamp.

[AgnesIO]

Again you make wild accusations. When did I say he and Apple weren't game changers? I was posting fact, that he did not invent the smartphone - he just changed the way it works which I actually admire if you bothered reading my posts in the Steve Jobs passes away thread His only innovations were his marketing tactics - his keen way of advertising and making a crisp product. My only 'beef' with Apple and Jobs is that they're dirty fighters, who feel the need to self-praise and be anti-competitive when the company and Jobs were all pro-competition until they saw themselves on top

I'm sure I've been saying on here for years that Apple products are good, it's just a shame Apple own them

Also, at Marketing. Apple is technically a monocracy - a system of Government by only one person. You very rarely hear of people lower down than Jobs (which would make an autocracy), which is probably why people assume he does everything in Apple, when really he's just the person with the seal of approval stamp.

Jobs was an autocratic leader.

[GommeInc]

Jobs was an autocratic leader.

And your views on what Jobs had to say are? You seem to be ignoring the purpose of this thread to argue trivialities

[Dopiefreak]

My only 'beef' with Apple and Jobs is that they're dirty fighters, who feel the need to self-praise and be anti-competitive when the company and Jobs were all pro-competition until they saw themselves on top

Steve was guilty of a big ego. His self-praise for Apple was OTT at times, as it is with many companies that have made it to the top. But dirty fighters? Everyone is suing everyone. Apart from Google of course, because they steal every idea out their so they don't have a leg to stand on.

Understandably Apple have the most cases, because this stems back to the iPhone 4 launch that was a game changer and everyone felt the need to copy.