Child birth without an income?

[AgnesIO]

I don't make debates, and if you look at the first post you'd see it was moved to this section.

1) College in the UK, is not what College is to america, it is basically your final years of high school but with only 1 specialist subject, aka we'd get a BTEC or A Levels that would then up us onto University

American schooling system is

Juniors?>Seniors?>Highschool?>College? I believe

The uk's is:

Primary(Juniors)>Secondary(Seniors)>College(High school)>University(Your equivalent to college)

Obviously we've misunderstood each other due to the differences in our different education systems.

One specialist subject? Is it even possible to go to college and have one a level?

My friend got pregnant at 15.. She had no job and no house. However i believe that the child has had THE best upbringing i have ever seen. The nicest 6 year old ive ever seen in my life, she is so sweet and innocent, so polite and she doesnt kick up a fuss about anything. Now that kid was brought up on hardly any income and now her mum has her own house, a brilliant job and still spends time with the kid. Shes 21 and she had her mum and her friends around her to support her. We all thought that she was going to be on benefits but she prooved everyone wrong. Just because of one *hate to use this word to describe someone* mistake when they do not have anything, doesn't mean they will have nothing in the future..

But that means the child we be brought up with the idea that having a baby at 15 is right..

15 year olds should still be children, not parents

[Jake]

But that means the child we be brought up with the idea that having a baby at 15 is right..

15 year olds should still be children, not parents

yeh.. She made a mistake and didnt agree with abortion.

[Accipiter]

One specialist subject? Is it even possible to go to college and have one a level?



But that means the child we be brought up with the idea that having a baby at 15 is right..

15 year olds should still be children, not parents

I was thinking BTECs picky!!!

[AgnesIO]

I was thinking BTECs picky!!!

Yeah, I guessed so haha. Just being picky, as you say

My Sixth Form expects you to do at least 4 AS Levels (if you do this, you must also take an additional study), although 5 is common.

[Accipiter]

Yeah, I guessed so haha. Just being picky, as you say

My Sixth Form expects you to do at least 4 AS Levels (if you do this, you must also take an additional study), although 5 is common.

North East must be thick, you can do 2 here, but 3 is average, 4 is unexpected LMAO


But yeah, this girl done a BTEC in hairdressing, which really shows education... It can save lives

[AgnesIO]

North East must be thick, you can do 2 here, but 3 is average, 4 is unexpected LMAO


But yeah, this girl done a BTEC in hairdressing, which really shows education... It can save lives

Really?

My college would never let someone do two :S I am taking six (although I don't have to go to lessons for one of them).

Our college is one of the only ones to not have made many staff members redundant, but to not have had to do that, by making people take more AS Levels it means they get more funding, so could keep staff on.

[HotelUser]

First off I just want to say other people's business does not concern me and I don't mean to offend anyone.

I'm sure there are really loving young mothers and fathers out there, but regardless I think it's extremely irresponsible to have a child before you're financially stable. It is depriving the child from having a stable upbringing. I really think it's important for parents today to make sure they're in a stable and safe environment before they have kids. Especially today where we live in a society where we have the opportunity to work towards being financially stable, and where we can choose to be pro-choice I just don't understand why some folks have kids too early knowing they can't even pay for their own way let alone another human.

[AgnesIO]

First off I just want to say other people's business does not concern me and I don't mean to offend anyone.

I'm sure there are really loving young mothers and fathers out there, but regardless I think it's extremely irresponsible to have a child before you're financially stable. It is depriving the child from having a stable upbringing. I really think it's important for parents today to make sure they're in a stable and safe environment before they have kids. Especially today where we live in a society where we have the opportunity to work towards being financially stable, and where we can choose to be pro-choice I just don't understand why some folks have kids too early knowing they can't even pay for their own way let alone another human.

So I just typed out a ******* long rep message, but I can't rep you atm!!

Spot on though, others will disagree but I totally agree with you on this one, Dave.

[GommeInc]

North East must be thick, you can do 2 here, but 3 is average, 4 is unexpected LMAO

But yeah, this girl done a BTEC in hairdressing, which really shows education... It can save lives

That might be changing soon. My college used to do what your one does, but changed last year due to some Government scheme being introduced. You have to do 5 I believe, when it used to be 4 plus an additional study. I did 4 A Levels and helped run the Charities Committee

As for the topic. I seem to turn a blind eye to these sorts of things, but I think if you're planning to have a child you should take a moment to reflect on your life and see if you can manage having a child - by putting time away and being able to afford one. Carelessness and not thinking is going to harm that child more than you would expect, and if you lack the time or the funds then bringing up a child will be incredibly difficult and unfair for both the mother, father and child (assuming said father is involved). I can't help but think the benefits system didn't help, where people thought a life of being a charity would be wise for both the child and mother, creating a sort of social stigma associated with the benefits system, but if it helped some people then fair play.

[Casanova]

I think it depends on the person.
If this girl intends on getting a job and financially supporting her child then I think it's fine but if she's lazy and has no intentions of working then I think it's wrong. If you want a child you should pay for it yourself.

I'm sure your council estate was lovely to grow up on, at least you and your friends can go on a club 18-30 with your children - intentions are good but it doesn't mean it'll happen. I know of a girl who was 14, top of our class and ******* a revolting 18 year old. she must love her life now, with two children an ex-boyfriend and NOTHING.


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I don't agree with it at all.
Personally, I think that we should - as a government give everyone an assessment during their second trimester to manage their needs and capabilities.

for instance, a mother that is a single parent, no qualifications nor job.
I'd give her an assessment for her needs - housing and various items such as cot, clothing, pram etc.
I'd give her a grant in vouchers to be spent on these items
I'd give her a house to live in which is suitable for her needs.

I'd then explain, if you are working by the end of maternity time of a year then you have to pay back your grant (which I assume minus housing would be about 1k) £10 a week. Like council tax this is a debt which must be paid back to your government even off of benefits - like a crisis loan.


If they aren't in full time employment/of an income in which they can support themselves or re-pay their debt then I'd put them in courses which suit their vocation intentions/wants and ensure she has the support and necessary skills to provide and nurture a child in our country.


For a couple with mental/physical capabilities then I'd do similar without them having to pay it back, a dedicated case worker and any further assistance. If they're deemed incapable of child care then of course they would lose the child - cold but necessary.


I feel our government invest a lot of money, get no reward yet seek no outcome to the current expenditure we have for many single parent families, dole mum's, dole families which exceed like ******* twelve, immigrants/asylum seekers, mentally/physically incapable.

We need to support our country, nurture their needs and spend our money well. If i had to pay taxes, pay more than what I need to then I wouldn't care - I'd know that these ******* drains on our society (which in all fairness sometimes isn't their fault - for instance I know of a single mum that would be £80 UP on her wages (not including all her outgoings LIKE paying council tax!) if she wasn't to work. She works because she feels her children learn that although they aren't lavished like some brats they have the right morals to achieve in life.


I could go on... and on... and on...

We're not here to supply endless funds to ghetto *****'s whom want a dingy flat, free benefits and a child they'll ruin the lives of.