Notch Vs Yogscast

[GommeInc]

"They acted like they were the Kings of Minecraft simply because they are minor celebrities in the Youtube world."

Who, what, why? Never heard of them. They sound like a bunch of narcisstic ninnies who got their fame from making boring videos for the unimaginative fans who grace their videos with their presence (and hits and likes)...

[samsaBEAR]

"They acted like they were the Kings of Minecraft simply because they are minor celebrities in the Youtube world."

Who, what, why? Never heard of them. They sound like a bunch of narcisstic ninnies who got their fame from making boring videos for the unimaginative fans who grace their videos with their presence (and hits and likes)...

There's nothing boring about Yogscast videos, and to call them boring without even knowing who they are is plain ignorance

[Neversoft]

Doubtful not many on here knows who he is, or what TTTT is

I now see you as cool and thats very good because your the only person on the forum that i see like that.

I'm honoured. :8

"They acted like they were the Kings of Minecraft simply because they are minor celebrities in the Youtube world."

Who, what, why? Never heard of them. They sound like a bunch of narcisstic ninnies who got their fame from making boring videos for the unimaginative fans who grace their videos with their presence (and hits and likes)...

There's nothing boring about Yogscast videos, and to call them boring without even knowing who they are is plain ignorance

Yes. Unfortunately, for the first time in the history of the forum, I have to disagree with you, Gomme.

I think TB summed it up quite well.

"They are certainly the biggest driving force behind Minecraft at present, you only need to look at the view count. After Seananners stopped doing Minecraft content, Yogscast became a massive source of free promotion for the game. Their videos hit the frontpage of Youtube every day, showing Minecraft off on the second largest search engine in the world time after time. I'm not sure Notch fully grasps just how much that many views on Youtube can do for your product. To give another example, the Magicka developers told me that they attribute the majority of their sales to WTF is Magicka and The Yogscast and TotalBiscuit play Magicka. This would make sense, if you look at the views on those videos, they are massive. For an indie company, Youtube and word of mouth are the two biggest forms of free marketing available and guess what generates word of mouth? Well how about literally over a million people watching and talking about Yogscast Minecraft videos? If anything, Notch does actually sound a little ungrateful here which is a rather flabbergasting attitude from an indie dev and one I've never seen before (those who don't know, my main source of income is my WTF is series which hilights indie games, it's fairly well viewed and I've had nothing but gratitude from devs whose games I've promoted). I suppose when you get as big and as wealthy as Notch, the attitude can change."

[DPS]

I'd rather watch Swifty or Athene... no even worse!

ID RATHER WATCH ATHENES MUM!

PATCH DAT SCOOP!

[samsaBEAR]

Yes. Unfortunately, for the first time in the history of the forum, I have to disagree with you, Gomme.

I think TB summed it up quite well.

"They are certainly the biggest driving force behind Minecraft at present, you only need to look at the view count. After Seananners stopped doing Minecraft content, Yogscast became a massive source of free promotion for the game. Their videos hit the frontpage of Youtube every day, showing Minecraft off on the second largest search engine in the world time after time. I'm not sure Notch fully grasps just how much that many views on Youtube can do for your product. To give another example, the Magicka developers told me that they attribute the majority of their sales to WTF is Magicka and The Yogscast and TotalBiscuit play Magicka. This would make sense, if you look at the views on those videos, they are massive. For an indie company, Youtube and word of mouth are the two biggest forms of free marketing available and guess what generates word of mouth? Well how about literally over a million people watching and talking about Yogscast Minecraft videos? If anything, Notch does actually sound a little ungrateful here which is a rather flabbergasting attitude from an indie dev and one I've never seen before (those who don't know, my main source of income is my WTF is series which hilights indie games, it's fairly well viewed and I've had nothing but gratitude from devs whose games I've promoted). I suppose when you get as big and as wealthy as Notch, the attitude can change."

People always go on about Seananners' videos being more popular than Yogscast, but as soon as all his 12 year old subs started moaning about there not being enough COD on his channel, he stopped doing his Minecraft videos. At least Yogscast has been consistent over the years

[GommeInc]

So people don't play Minecraft and realise their inner-creativity? Instead, they prefer to watch other people play the game? I'm deeply confused by why these people are 'famous'. After watching one video I started getting cravings for a mid-afternoon nap - though to be fair the video entitled "Minecraft - Part 1: How to Survive the First Night" was being narrated by someone with such a dull voice that was designed purely to read stories on tape to put children, the elderly and everybody else to sleep.

Kudos to them for somehow gaining popularity by posting videos that underline how to play the game, but it's not for me. I'm with FlyingJesus on this one.

[Neversoft]

Of course you would be deeply confused, because you and Tom are completely misunderstanding what they do. They don't 'underline how to play the game', they've crafted a huge interactive adventure series out of Minecraft -- something which sets them apart out of every other 'gamer' on YouTube. It's also something which is impossible to grasp after watching one single video of theirs, let alone the first video which is not very representative of their work.

A huge chunk of their audience do play Minecraft, but yes, a lot do prefer just to watch them. The appeal isn't exactly watching them 'play' the game, it's more like watching a television series or an extremely well-planned, visual role-play. They're not about 'playing' the game at all, I would find that incredibly boring, they're all about the entertainment.

Juding someone on their voice is a bit of a shallow thing to do. There's more to them than that, and obviously you won't grasp much of their personality from one video. Personally, I have to say, Simon and Lewis are two extremely colourful characters. They have such a brilliant friendship dynamic, which makes their videos so much more interesting and entertaining to watch, as opposed to all the single person channels and those without anyone else to really compliment them. Plus they're British. Their sense of humour is absolutely gold. After getting into their videos, it becomes so apparent why they're as popular as they are.

[GommeInc]

I'd have to make sure to watch some of their other work then That one immediately comes up and is pretty boring if you know how to play the game. His voice isn't very useful, it's nice but does make you tired when watching.

[Neversoft]

Their official statement is OOOUUT. On reddit since someone DDOS'd their forums.

http://www.reddit.com/r/Minecraft/co...s_twitterings/

We’re sure many of you have seen or heard about Notch’s post-Minecon tweets, which were not what we expected to see when we got off the plane from Minecon – we’ve had a sleep now and recovered a bit, so this is our response:

We are very disappointed by these tweets from someone we admire and respect. We can understand that it was the morning after the deadmau5 party and Notch was very tired, but we are still fairly upset. The quotes and actions that Notch attributed to us were not said by us or published anywhere by us. Therefore we are surprised and confused about where this stuff has come from - especially since the only time we spoke to Notch was at the interview.

Regarding dropping f-bombs at the show - we apologise for this, but had rehearsed the whole show in front of the organisers and half of Mojang and they had approved it. We were given no guidelines or oversight in the weeks leading up to Minecon and there were ample opportunities at the rehearsal for Mojang to inform us of problems, such as being careful about swearing, which is pretty common in our youtube videos.

Out of all the tweets that Notch sent out, most hurtful was the accusation that we told a kid to “**** off” and crossed out another signature – which is something we would never ever do.

We loved spending time with fans and were overwhelmed by how many people were there to support us and give us gifts. Simon has enough Jaffas to last him until the middle of 2012. The problem was that Minecon is a new show and organisation was pretty bad, and when we came to the scheduled signing sessions, nothing had been set up for us and we had to scrabble around to fetch tables, ropes and pens ourselves. With some younger kids around, it was our priority to make sure everything was safe, as we have seen injuries in the past.

This lack of organization contributed to long and confused lines and we were heartbroken to have to turn away so many people when we ran out of time. Simon can only handle a certain amount of time between cups of coffee and nicotine tablets before collapsing, but we made a real effort to get out there and managed to do about six hours of signing. Although we were frustrated, we would never have treated fans in the way that Notch suggested we did.

We were also unhappy and surprised that a week before Minecon, Mojang informed us that they had sold the rights to livestream our show and content to IGN – they hadn’t asked us, they hadn’t spoken to us – they just sold it. Because of this, we nearly cancelled the trip, but decided to say “balls to it” and come anyway, because we felt we owed it to the fans. Hannah actually spoke with IGN directly earlier, and they agreed to take their video down and let us put the videos up on our channel, so a big thanks to them for that.

We were not paid, and never demanded to be paid. We asked for some support, and Mojang said they could offer us two hotel rooms for the duration of the stay and a small boardroom to rest in. We spent a huge amount of money on flights, rooms, food and equipment for the 10 people that we brought along to support us, act as security, make videos/posts and generally help out. We also gave away 100 special t-shirts for free.

The reason we came to Minecon is because we wanted to thank you guys and meet the community that we love and are a part of. We couldn’t have gotten to where we are now without you guys, and so we decided to eat the costs of attending and just have fun. This is why we spent our panel giving a voice to loads of talented people that couldn’t attend but have made Minecraft what it is today.

We’re not gonna stop making videos, not going to stop loving you guys, and hopefully we’ll see you at more gaming conventions in the future.

Lewis & Simon & Hannah

Well, there ya go. Notch is a moron who will believe anything if he is 'tired'.

[GommeInc]

Well now that they have posted their side, hopefully the two can discuss and wash their dirty laundry in private. F-bombing is naughty though, considering there were children at the event. You wouldn't get that language at a Disney convention where children are present

Hopefully it is just a misunderstanding. Both Notch and the people at Yogscast have colourful personalities which seemed to of clashed at this convention, and it is a bit unprofessional to voice your disagreements when it should be between you and your guests. I guess that's the problem inviting people who make YouTube videos and are popular in that community to an official event. The event is about the product and the company, and of course the community but when you get popular members of the community involved you get a lovely mess of personas and egos

The video is a good response though (it was added after your post): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HddMANh3Xis

The only thing really is to leave it in the past and hope there is no bad blood.