Climategate II

[-:Undertaker:-]

http://eureferendum.blogspot.com/201...y-problem.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencete...#ixzz1eTMlZHPq
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/ja...quishes-huhne/
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/ja...quishes-huhne/
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/ja...l-of-them-all/

Climategate II: the so-called 'scientists' caught cooking the books in large data leak (again)

- 'We're choosing periods to show warming'
- 'Science is being manipulated - it might not be too clever in the long run'
- 'Climate change is a "better label" than global warming'
- 'Many thanks for your paper - and congratulations for reviving global warming'

... with getting 5,000-plus e-mails from CRU and friends is that one now has to read them. The Daily Mail is off to a good start and I've ploughed through about twenty - enough to see that it is going to be a long haul. For most, though, this is the cherry-picking stage, sorting quickly through to find some of the highlights.

My favourite so far is No. 0688. Phil Jones is writing to "Tom and Mike" at NOAA, complaining that he is "being hassled by skeptics to release paleo data and also by others for the station temperature data used in the CRU datasets". In an especially revealing comment, Jones confides that, "Over the last year or so, I've told people they can't have the station data - go to the GHCN site and get it". He then adds: "I knew that avenue has been closed, but it got some of them off my back".

That is a measure of the man, the scientist. Failing to give the raw data on which he has based his claims, Jones then refers inquirers to a dataset which he knows is not available, for the sole reason of getting people "off my back". Never mind that, knowingly, he is sending them on a wild goose chase. If we knew nothing more about the man, this would flag up warnings. But from what we already know of him, this comes as no surprise. It is entirely in character.

One wonders what will now come of all this. The release timing is such that, where there is damage to be done at Durban, it will be done - although expectations are so low that it is already being written off as a lost cause. As to moving on the debate, positions are so entrenched that no one at the extremes of the argument is going to be moved. What emerges will simply confirm existing positions and prejudices.

For the rest, most of the public have lost interest in the climate change scare, and much of the political heat has gone out of the issue. Most MPs will take their feed from the MSM, from which the input may well be minimal. The impact of "Climategate II" therefore, may be hard to assess - even if it is going to be fun following its progression. Some of the smaller sites are also worth a watch ... Klein Verzet, for instance, tells us the Dutch MSM are shutting down on the issue. Marc Morano, on the other hand, is having a field day, as you might expect.

The race is now on to milk the files.

Caught out again, remember the explosive emails back in 2009 when the scam was exposed by hacked emails of the 'scientists' themselves when Russian hackers revealed that the 'scientists' and self-declared 'experts' had been cooking the books between themselves? well now its Climategate II, not as explosive of course because as Dr Richard North explains well on his blog, most of us are onto the fact that we've been well and truly duped or royally screwed if you prefer.

Egg on the face (again) at those who dismissed me and others all those years ago.



Thoughts? is the global warming, opps, I meant climate change scam finally in its last death throes?

To quote former Prime Minister Harold MacMillan, of whom it must be said i'm no fan, the quote rings so true though.. "We have not overthrown the divine right of kings to fall down for the divine right of experts."

[Technologic]

Doesn't make any difference, we still treat this planet like **** and we should all be forced to adopt green policies against our will.

[Technologic]

Doesn't make any difference, we still treat this planet like **** and we should all be forced to adopt green policies against our will.

[-:Undertaker:-]

Doesn't make any difference, we still treat this planet like **** and we should all be forced to adopt green policies against our will.

Are you for real? it 'doesnt matter' that the most expensive scam in human history has now been debunked? a scam which you fully believed in/still do believe in? as for the rest of it, you are the one are you not who goes on numerous holidays jetting around the world every year and you have the nerve to criticise the rest of us as though we all share some terrible burden of guilt? before you go about enforcing your undemocratic and quite frankly sinister agenda on the rest of us -take a leaf out of your own book and stop 'treating the planet like ****' - that'd be the day, eh?

I think your reply has just shown why the myth is on its deathbed; hypocrisy, a fascist attitude and ignorance of reality.

[Oleh]

Climate change is attributed to carbon dioxide? Isn't it true that a single volcanic eruption releases more than we have in the last 100 years?

[GommeInc]

Pfft, the planet is just doing what any ordinary planet will do. We're just annoyed because we're a selfish, irrational species caught up in the trouble. I think we should be "greener", but I don't think it should be dragged around and forced down the throats of people and countries that lack the resources to do it. Heck, the UK can't be completely green, we lack any useful, natural structures to manipulate to create energy - the sun, the waves and the wind are all useless and economically unfeasible. We should be focusing on different types of fuel because, well, it's damn obvious oil is useless and damaging (but cutting it out won't do anything).

I'm amazed this debate is still going. Global warming and climate change are pretty much fact, what isn't fact is that man is to blame.

[Ajthedragon]

Doesn't make any difference, we still treat this planet like **** and we should all be forced to adopt green policies against our will.

I agree with this, although within limits.

Climate change is happening all around us. I believe we have contributed to the acceleration of global warming rather than that we are solely to blame, and a few irrational scientists won't change my view on the matter.

[Eoin247]

If we cause climate change or not it's irrelevant to us being greener or not. Our ways have been proven to interfere with other species and have caused harm to the environment in other ways than climate change. Think acid rain, ocean waste, over farming/hunting , smog etc. The list goes on and on.


So have humans caused the climate to change? I doubt it personally but, climate change (if we are responsible) is only one of a multitude of ways in which we affect the environment.