Compulsory "Post What You're Listening to" winge thread

[Eoin247]

Just to clarify. I think they should stay. However i don't think they should be stickied.

[beth]

right i read a few pages back but not all the way as i got bored. i think post count should be removed from all threads regarding anything as 'post your' from now on.

the historic argument doesn't work anymore, when i first came to the forum in 05 i used to post in the what yr listening to thread all the time because i used to look for new bands and people would comment on what yr listening to and this was still the case in 2007, when the music forum was thriving with members such as redstratocas, myself, jordan, clarissa, samsabear, lesbian amy, matt/cocaine it was INTERESTING. now i don't post in the listening thread because to me people only use it to get their post count up. now i don't mean to point users out but biscuitss posts constantly in that thread making no active discussion.

its just a quick way to rank up and it's stupid. it's not the same as it was and it should be sorted.

[xxMATTGxx]

I'm not the only person in the entire management team who needs to reply to this thread for something to be done about it. Changing the thread or any "Post Your" threads so that post count isn't counted seems a bit messy and long way of doing that without a specific plugin being installed.

I don't really see the big problem with the thread, if it's being used then it's being used. I doubt very much you will see anything come from the post count being disabled or the thread being removed, the majority of them won't start making threads around the forum to increase actual discussion. Not that anything isn't going to be done about it but I can have my own opinion on what I think about the thread of course!

If you only want action doing to one "Post Your Thread" (What you are listening to) then we are also going to have to come up with a way to manage any future threads that may be made. So to only allow "Post Your" threads if they create a good discussion such as the ones in the technology forums.

In regards of what I said the other post, I read the majority of pages but not every single post into great detail.

So:

1. Leave it as it is and get on with how it has been for the past god knows how long
2. Remove it
3. Put it in a place where post count doesn't rise
4. Unstick it but leave it
5. Other

[Catzsy]

I don't think anyone's suggesting that the thread is actually removed (at least not any more if it was ever originally the case) nor even moving it to spam/games as the people seemed to think in the early pages of this thread. A suitable change that makes no aesthetic or functional difference other than taking out the post count has been explained fully and would be easily implemented, and frankly I think it's not just lazy but rude that Matt couldn't even be bothered to read 6 pages of feedback to see that this was the case, even if he were then to say "nah cba" it would at least show an interest in his users beyond hanging around HxHD. I'll await the "Christmas is a busy time" and "Matt does X amount of work" replies and I appreciate both of those facts, but taking 5 or 10 minutes to read an active feedback thread isn't all that taxing. I've read through it at least twice just writing this reply.

He didnt even say remove the thread in that post let alone demand the thread gets removed so I'm not sure what post you're reading

And a thread where you can post what you're listening to multiple times a day, with no discussion and with a post count... has never.... died???!?!?!!!11 Well blow my horn and call me willy i wonder why that would be

The history of Chippiewill's compulsory ' Post what etc' threads is that he doesn't agree with these historical threads and thinks they should be unstickied and removed.... there has been quite a history of this request during the years which is why I said it. In fact as Matt said it was removed once and there was a uproar about it. It still takes an effort to post what you are actually listening too and I honestly see this is no different to somebody saying 'I agee with Stephen' or 'welcome to the forum'.

[MissAlice]

Don’t you just love feedback; it’s always been one of just a few interesting parts of the forum that I rarely tire of reading. So yes I've read all of the thread.

Post count appears to still be as important as ever and we all know why and yet its quality threads and posts that mainly contribute and encourage the better discussions, just like this thread has done. Personally I don’t have a problem with this said thread, it does no harm but also has no interest to me, and don’t recall ever having posted in the thread.

I do think members should be encouraged to post wherever they choose to, particularly when the forum isn’t as active as management may like, however I do feel that not enough reward is given to the better discussions that are created, the majority of posts in this thread are all good quality, and can’t all win ‘Member of the Month’ for good contribution in feedback. Habbox Management perhaps needs to find another way of rewarding the true dedicated members who consistently contribute, and are not here just to boost their post count.

Maybe it’s time for Management to come up with a solution!

[Stephen]

I know a solution

fire infectious

that always works in my eyes

Edited by Jordan (Forum Super Moderator): Please do not pointless post

[Chippiewill]

BERLIN WALL INCOMING

Catzsy:

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The history of Chippiewill's compulsory ' Post what etc' threads is that he doesn't agree with these historical threads and thinks they should be unstickied and removed.... there has been quite a history of this request during the years which is why I said it.

It still takes an effort to post what you are actually listening too and I honestly see this is no different to somebody saying 'I agee with Stephen' or 'welcome to the forum'.

My history of the "post your" threads is not that I don't agree with them, I just don't like them being exempt from rule A7, in the past when I've raised this issue Oli's always been around and frankly he sticks his neck in and I have every staff member lapping his heels, hopefully now he's gone I'll get a proper response for this. Historical argument is flawed, if history is the motive then I demand the immediate return of the FS sub-forum.

It still takes an effort to post what you are actually listening too

Yes I guess a fraction of effort is still technically effort, good-job.

I honestly see this is no different to somebody saying 'I agee with Stephen' or 'welcome to the forum'.

I raised the issue of the welcome forum post count a while back and it kind of came to a compromise of "We'll actually bother moderating this forum and make sure people don't bump threads from last month' which should have been done in the first place anyway. The "I agree" thing used to be not allowed, and I think I was part of the reason for getting it allowed (But I intended for discretional purposes) because in the technology section, for example, if someone relatively unknown tries to help the person asking might be unsure of whether to trust it so when I reply "I agree" or "Do this" or similar then they can be reassured they can trust it without me having to say the same thing in different words just to avoid being warned for pointless posting.

1. It is up to the management whether they decide to remove this thread or not not Chippie

Sorry, the way I wrote that post may have given the impression that after six weeks it had to be removed, I meant after six weeks we re-review the situation.

What is the point of trying to promote active discussion in a thread like this

Why should we promote active discussion for a DISCUSSION forum.. hmmm I DONT KNOW?!?!

- it is for members to post what they are listening too and I for one find it quite interesting to see what people's taste in music is even though I do not participate in the thread.

Here you did not say it would be ruined by discussion, probably because it wouldn't be, so why be against promoting discussion. I think it would help the thread as it would mean that those against "one or two word answer threads" such as myself wouldn't feel guilty posting in there.

2. I do not feel it is fair to start singling out members individually, guys, as to what percentage of their post count is etc.

I feel it is an important, but uncomfortable, issue that should be highlighted.

I think Matt summed it up earlier in the thread more members want this thread than don't

I don't think Matt actually said that

and if it was removed there would be quite a storm.

That was for removal altogether, not removal of post count or just encouraging active discussion.

A sign of it's popularity is that it has never died and is always active.

Because a stickied, official, easily abusable, lack of discussion thread doesn't die? I guess the concentration camps were popular because they were always active, perhaps we should return them? (Bit of reductio ad hitlerum there..)

To get to the crux of the matter which I believe this is all about is the fact it has a post count not the thread itself.

It's the thread, I'm bothered about the thread, if it didn't have post count then it wouldn't be a problem but yes, I'm bothered about the thread which violated rule A7 quite clearly and doesn't promote active discussion.

The post your desktop thread in Tech is in exactly the same as this thread imo.

Again not the whole "post your" thing we're talking about here. We're concerned by the lack of discussion. I count many cases of discussion on the latest page of PYD, none on the latest of post what you're listening to. I like looking at desktop images but it's much nicer when there's discussion in the thread.

Matt:

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I'm not the only person in the entire management team who needs to reply to this thread for something to be done about it.

You're chummy with David and the other AGMS, direct them to read this thread in full - problem sorted.

Changing the thread or any "Post Your" threads so that post count isn't counted seems a bit messy and long way of doing that without a specific plugin being installed.

I personally agree that the way of doing this without a plugin for it would be too messy and not worth it which is why active discussion promotion should be sought after as a possible solution. People aren't going to feel hurt by this either.

I don't really see the big problem with the thread, if it's being used then it's being used.

The SPAM forum is being used, I guess it's not a problem then (By your logic that is).

I doubt very much you will see anything come from the post count being disabled or the thread being removed, the majority of them won't start making threads around the forum to increase actual discussion.

Well, a 200 post count drop to most people is pretty large.

If you only want action doing to one "Post Your Thread" (What you are listening to) then we are also going to have to come up with a way to manage any future threads that may be made. So to only allow "Post Your" threads if they create a good discussion such as the ones in the technology forums.

I think a hardline rule on this isn't going to be effective, but a general glance at discussion points per page (Basically number of posts with discussion in them) for the previous 5 pages of a thread is a good way to measure whether the thread is being abused or not.

In regards of what I said the other post, I read the majority of pages but not every single post into great detail

Inspiration to us as always Matt

So:

1. Leave it as it is and get on with how it has been for the past god knows how long
2. Remove it
3. Put it in a place where post count doesn't rise
4. Unstick it but leave it
5. Other

6. My suggestion that you clearly missed because management hasn't found the 40 posts per page feature which makes reading long threads really easy.

Others:

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now i don't post in the listening thread because to me people only use it to get their post count up. now i don't mean to point users out but biscuitss posts constantly in that thread making no active discussion.

its just a quick way to rank up and it's stupid. it's not the same as it was and it should be sorted.

Someone of similar opinion to me of desire to post in the thread. As I said earlier I'd like to post in that thread but I'd feel guilty about it.

[QUOTE=MissAlice;7364539]Don’t you just love feedback; it’s always been one of just a few interesting parts of the forum that I rarely tire of reading. So yes I've read all of the thread.

I do think members should be encouraged to post wherever they choose to, particularly when the forum isn’t as active as management may like, however I do feel that not enough reward is given to the better discussions that are created, the majority of posts in this thread are all good quality, and can’t all win ‘Member of the Month’ for good contribution in feedback. Habbox Management perhaps needs to find another way of rewarding the true dedicated members who consistently contribute, and are not here just to boost their post count.

This is ideally what I'd like, although someone will likely cite the reputation system which is only ever used in spam nowadays and generally floats around a fairly closed group most of the time, just like back in the old days of being able to rep people into a new rep power once a week.

Maybe it’s time for Management to come up with a solution!

I like this thought, because I've never liked the "Remove it" or the "Move it" or the "Remove post count in elaborate way" method all THAT much, even the one I'm suggesting could be improved upon. I'm certain there's a better way.

[FlyingJesus]

I'm not the only person in the entire management team who needs to reply to this thread for something to be done about it. Changing the thread or any "Post Your" threads so that post count isn't counted seems a bit messy and long way of doing that without a specific plugin being installed.

Yeahhhhhhhhhbutno if I've managed to doit in 5 minutes on forums I've worked with beforeI'm sure the tech team with their vastly superior knowledge of forums can do it. The thread itself does not change, it's really not a difficult concept

I don't really see the big problem with the thread, if it's being used then it's being used. I doubt very much you will see anything come from the post count being disabled or the thread being removed, the majority of them won't start making threads around the forum to increase actual discussion. Not that anything isn't going to be done about it but I can have my own opinion on what I think about the thread of course!

I can't speak for everyone but personally the only thing I want to see come from this is a stop to non-discussive threads being promoted as a way of gaining post count. Any other changes like possible (but obviously not certain) increase in actual discussion in the Music section would be nice but aren't the real point at this moment

If you only want action doing to one "Post Your Thread" (What you are listening to) then we are also going to have to come up with a way to manage any future threads that may be made. So to only allow "Post Your" threads if they create a good discussion such as the ones in the technology forums.

Is that not the rule anyway? For ALL threads not just "post your" threads

So:

1. Leave it as it is and get on with how it has been for the past god knows how long
2. Remove it
3. Put it in a place where post count doesn't rise
4. Unstick it but leave it
5. Other

Or y'know the very easy and workable idea that I've posted a few times in this thread which does the job of 3 but without it actually going anywhere different. I guess you're terming that under "other" as I'm sure you can't still have not read through the ideas that have been posted

[xxMATTGxx]

Yeahhhhhhhhhbutno if I've managed to doit in 5 minutes on forums I've worked with beforeI'm sure the tech team with their vastly superior knowledge of forums can do it. The thread itself does not change, it's really not a difficult concept



I can't speak for everyone but personally the only thing I want to see come from this is a stop to non-discussive threads being promoted as a way of gaining post count. Any other changes like possible (but obviously not certain) increase in actual discussion in the Music section would be nice but aren't the real point at this moment



Is that not the rule anyway? For ALL threads not just "post your" threads



Or y'know the very easy and workable idea that I've posted a few times in this thread which does the job of 3 but without it actually going anywhere different. I guess you're terming that under "other" as I'm sure you can't still have not read through the ideas that have been posted

I don't fully get what your idea was in terms of moving it so it's in a forum that's hidden but still accessible by the ID or something on the lines of that?

Thread gets moved to a section no one can really see - post count is off
They can see the thread by the ID
It some how appears up in the Music forum?

Is that not the rule anyway? For ALL threads not just "post your" threads

Sort of but If the music one is going to be stopped in terms of post count rising and anything else. Then any future post your threads that may get posted will also have to come under something similar. They either create a discussion more often like the other post your threads and if they don't, then they either go or have post count turned off.



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[FlyingJesus]

Essentially the "real" thread is moved into a new subforum of music (which you can make unseen but still usableso as not to waste space/look weird)but youleave a "ghost" in the exact same place as the thread currently is so that nothing is changed visually but the actual location of the thread is a subforum without post counts enabled. Just to be on the safe side (in case people do for some reason navigate themselves to the new subforum) it would probably be best to make it so that new threads can't be posted in it but replies can, so that the thread still works for all users.

I've tried looking for examples on other forums but sod's law I can't find any now they tend to have the tag MOVED: before the thread title and then it links through to the new location of it