HxHD

[Inseriousity.]

An active room owner = can ban all the clones easily and the person will give up

If someones being banned constantly and has to go through reloading the hotel on a different account, they're more likely to stop trying, rather than if they can simply reload the room all night, possibly on clones...

I agree with this, they trust every manager with control panels etc of the respective department, but don't trust HxHD manager to own the room.



It's not hard for a room owner to ban a user and their clones... and it beats the staff currently having to constantly kick the member constantly, or to go further and use third party programs to kick them.

While logic would say they're more likely to stop, it doesn't mean they necessarily will. I know of one user who would happily log in constantly and as far as I know, the perm ban userlist is generally just this person nowadays so we all know who I'm talking about!At least when kicking someone, it doesn't rely on one person doing all the work.

It's not a case of not trusting the hxhd manager with the room. I highly doubt the idea just hasn't crossed anyone's mind when traditionhas just meant itis shifted around the general management team. I'm not totally against the idea but I really don't see the point based on the points raised so far. I would hope thatRosy and other HxHD managers in the future do not need to own the room to know theyare trusted bygeneral management.If they feel they aren't trusted, that isdefinitely a bigger problem imo than who owns hxhd.

[Mathew]

The rare people who get banned cause disruption, enough of it that a staff member took the time to make an auto-kicker and distribute it within staff just to attempt to control this, which is something the room owner should be doing.

So obviously the problem is there, especially with perm banned member.

26 staff members with an auto-kicker will be just as effective as relying on one person to ban someone from the room. I am interested on how it was made though.. !

[scottish]

While logic would say they're more likely to stop, it doesn't mean they necessarily will. I know of one user who would happily log in constantly and as far as I know, the perm ban userlist is generally just this person nowadays so we all know who I'm talking about!At least when kicking someone, it doesn't rely on one person doing all the work.

It's not a case of not trusting the hxhd manager with the room. I highly doubt the idea just hasn't crossed anyone's mind when traditionhas just meant itis shifted around the general management team. I'm not totally against the idea but I really don't see the point based on the points raised so far. I would hope thatRosy and other HxHD managers in the future do not need to own the room to know theyare trusted bygeneral management.If they feel they aren't trusted, that isdefinitely a bigger problem imo than who owns hxhd.

Said perm banned member constantly got banned last week and they gave up, if the owner actually constantly banned them they're soon realise it's not worth the effort and give up, can guarantee that

I don't see why hxhd manager shouldn't own the room tbh. Theres no advantages of MattG owning it over any manager, and there is advantages of manager owning it over MattG

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26 staff members with an auto-kicker will be just as effective as relying on one person to ban someone from the room. I am interested on how it was made though.. !

Not really, having 26 people with a program that afaik is against the habbo way (3rd party programs) is ALOT less effective than having 1 active room owner who can ban the member for 15 minutes per go.

If the member is desperate enough to come in on several clones it takes what, 3 clicks to ban them again? Not exactly a huge task for the room owner, where as if staff have to do it they're having to keep the client open over everything else, and could ultimately effect HxF posts as the members are having to stare at habbo attempting to kick a user over posting something on the forums and anything else the staff may wish to do whilst in the help desk.

[Mathew]

...and what makes you think the HxHD Manager would be any more active than GM? Yes, they probably should be, but GM should have significant presence too. I don't think it's fair to rely on someone, like Rosy, to be online constantly to kick people. You can't put all that pressure on the HxHD Manager when their Habbox job isn't their primary concern in life. It's also worth noting that Rosy is from the USA, so this still wouldn't help through the UK day. I'm sure MG is online when he can, and that's the main thing - I'm sure he'd be happy enough to come online if he was needed too.

[HotelUser]

[@]@Scottish[/@] The flaw in your argument that the room owner could be doing more is that there is one banned user in particular which consistently just reloads the room on different accounts upon being banned, and refused to give up.

[@]@Richie[/@] I don't see any serious flaws with Matt owning the room. Most times I ask him to come in to resolve an issue he comes in, and he is fashionably active in the room anyways. Moreover, staff members are perfectly capable of kicking banned users in the room. They signed up for the job knowing it would be their responsibility to moderate the room. We are not going to start dishing out autokickers on the forum, nor are we going to promote use of autokickers on the forum ([@]@Mathew)[/@], but if someone has made an autokicker that's completely undetectable and so neither we nor Sulake can determine as to whether or not a staff member is using it, we are not going to victimize that staff member, because there's really nothing we can prove -shrugs-.

[scottish]

...and what makes you think the HxHD Manager would be any more active than GM? Yes, they probably should be, but GM should have significant presence too. I don't think it's fair to rely on someone, like Rosy, to be online constantly to kick people. You can't put all that pressure on the HxHD Manager when their Habbox job isn't their primary concern in life. It's also worth noting that Rosy is from the USA, so this still wouldn't help through the UK day. I'm sure MG is online when he can, and that's the main thing - I'm sure he'd be happy enough to come online if he was needed too.

It's a known fact every user / staff member in hxhd is more active than MattG. The only time I see him in the room is if theres a thread regarding HxHD posted.

GMs don't have a significant presence, so

It's not relying on them to be online all the time, it's relying on them to be more active than the current owner, which wouldn't be hard. Rosy is only enough for the UK times aswell as USA times.

I'm fairly sure hoteluser and mattg had an argument in the room regarding mattg should be there more and mattg refused to come online to ban users etc

[@]@Scottish[/@] The flaw in your argument that the room owner could be doing more is that there is one banned user in particular which consistently just reloads the room on different accounts upon being banned, and refused to give up.

[@]@Richie[/@] I don't see any serious flaws with Matt owning the room. Most times I ask him to come in to resolve an issue he comes in, and he is fashionably active in the room anyways. Moreover, staff members are perfectly capable of kicking banned users in the room. They signed up for the job knowing it would be their responsibility to moderate the room. We are not going to start dishing out autokickers on the forum, nor are we going to promote use of autokickers on the forum ([@]@Mathew)[/@], but if someone has made an autokicker that's completely undetectable and so neither we nor Sulake can determine as to whether or not a staff member is using it, we are not going to victimize that staff member, because there's really nothing we can prove -shrugs-.

The banned member you're speaking about constantly causes disruption and having an active owner would just ban them upon entering, the member would then give up as he has in the past when being kicked constantly

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[HotelUser]

It's a known fact every user / staff member in hxhd is more active than MattG. The only time I see him in the room is if theres a thread regarding HxHD posted.

GMs don't have a significant presence, so

It's not relying on them to be online all the time, it's relying on them to be more active than the current owner, which wouldn't be hard. Rosy is only enough for the UK times aswell as USA times.

I'm fairly sure hoteluser and mattg had an argument in the room regarding mattg should be there more and mattg refused to come online to ban users etc



The banned member you're speaking about constantly causes disruption and having an active owner would just ban them upon entering, the member would then give up as he has in the past when being kicked constantly

lol at rest of reply

In the past when Matt has come on to ban the member to whom we are referring, they merely re-entered the room on about a million other accounts (okay so that's an exaggeration, but it was a lot of other accounts), and essentially tied Matt up for longer than an hour because he had to continuously keep issuing bans. Since the bans only last for a fraction of time eventually the individual just kept reusing accounts and banning became about as useful as kicking. In the entire history of the HxHD department HxHD has always been the strongest when the Manager has been the most active individual in the room. Never have I seen a HxHD owner who was more active than the Manager and if that is or was ever the case, then the Manager would be in some serious trouble. As I said before staff members are more than able to kick banned users in a room. It's a task they signed up to do, and it's one they're extremely capable of doing. Besides, do we really want Matt to be in the Help Desk 24 hours 7 days a week? Imagine how cranky he would get !

[scottish]

In the past when Matt has come on to ban the member to whom we are referring, they merely re-entered the room on about a million other accounts (okay so that's an exaggeration, but it was a lot of other accounts), and essentially tied Matt up for longer than an hour because he had to continuously keep issuing bans. Since the bans only last for a fraction of time eventually the individual just kept reusing accounts and banning became about as useful as kicking. In the entire history of the HxHD department HxHD has always been the strongest when the Manager has been the most active individual in the room. Never have I seen a HxHD owner who was more active than the Manager and if that is or was ever the case, then the Manager would be in some serious trouble. As I said before staff members are more than able to kick banned users in a room. It's a task they signed up to do, and it's one they're extremely capable of doing. Besides, do we really want Matt to be in the Help Desk 24 hours 7 days a week? Imagine how cranky he would get !

So instead of using 1 members time to ban them, you use the rest of the staffs time to constantly kick them? :S

[wixard]

ryan loves it when matt g gets on
he thinks of it as a game

matt g is active enough, don't change the owner

[HotelUser]

So instead of using 1 members time to ban them, you use the rest of the staffs time to constantly kick them? :S

It would be irresponsible to depend on one staff member 24 hours a day to moderate the room (and as you keep neglecting to acknowledge, he cannot even technically moderate the room against some users any better than a regular rights holder), because it's impossible for him to be there all the time every day, especially when all trustworthy staff have rights to the room, and are willing to moderate it.