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[Chippiewill]

and to be honest unbanning him would make him feel as if he's "won" anyways).

That's incredibly childish reasoning for a ban. Who cares if he feels like he's won, as long as he isn't disruptive it shouldn't be an issue.

Now, if he is disruptive that's another thing all together.

[Andii]

That's incredibly childish reasoning for a ban. Who cares if he feels like he's won, as long as he isn't disruptive it shouldn't be an issue.

Now, if he is disruptive that's another thing all together.

i agree with that tbh. . if they are not causing any harm or disruptions then why should they still be banned??? and if the only reason why they are not being unbanned is beacuse he feels like hes won then yea that is really stupid.

but also i agree with richie that the manager SHOULD own hxhd because they are the one in charge of thatdepartmentso they should have more responsibility. It's not really fair treating hxhd manager different compared to other managers and bascially all the hxhd manger is doing at the minute when a user comes into the room is acting like SS as all they can do is kick

[Grig]

i agree with that tbh. . but also i agree with richie that the manager SHOULD own hxhd because they are the one in charge of thatdepartmentso they should have more responsibility. It's not really fair treating hxhd manager different compared to other managers and bascially all the hxhd manger is doing at the minute when a user comes into the room is acting like SS as all they can do is kick

That's far from what a HxHD manager should do . There's the whole concept of pushing the desk by creating more events, getting people in etc. As for the person who owns the desk, I'm not too bothered- as long as they are on hand during moments when needed.

[Andii]

yea ino but what happens if there is an event that the hxhd manager created but a group of users come in causing disruption the manager can't ban them users all they can do is be kicked continually

[Grig]

yea ino but what happens if there is an event that the hxhd manager created but a group of users come in causing disruption the manager can't ban them users all they can do is be kicked continually

The general manager will do it?

I agree for greater general management and Habbox presence on-client, however, I think there is too much of a fuss over who owns the room here. Also you'd get more stability because for every 3/4 HxHD management changes, there is a general manager change.

[Richie]

yea ino but what happens if there is an event that the hxhd manager created but a group of users come in causing disruption the manager can't ban them users all they can do is be kicked continually

You fail to see the point. That's the whole point of this thread, we need someone who is active. If someone was active and had the permission to kick and ban another user it would make things so much easier. To those saying ryan will get a kick out of it (see how i did that), that is why we originally started the thread with "certain people" rather than naming names. I don't believe Ryan has an auto re-loader I just think he has a fairly fast pc, I can reload as fast as him without a program. What would make someone more annoyed, I have an auto re-loader or I have to reload the room every time you kick me. If he tells you he has an auto re-loader you will just assume you're fighting a losing battle and give up. I'm pretty sure it was a struggle for someone like himself to install shockwave no mind an auto re-loader.

[wixard]

i love ryan he's the best ove: ove:

Edited by Jordan (Forum Super Moderator): Please stay on topic

[Ms.Aquamarine]

i agree with that tbh. . if they are not causing any harm or disruptions then why should they still be banned??? and if the only reason why they are not being unbanned is beacuse he feels like hes won then yea that is really stupid.

I have seen him become very rude to others and also me. At one point, I actually stopped kicking him to see what he would do. Three minutes later he shot out a very rude comment to someone which wasn't necessary at all.

You fail to see the point. That's the whole point of this thread, we need someone who is active. If someone was active and had the permission to kick and ban another user it would make things so much easier. To those saying ryan will get a kick out of it (see how i did that), that is why we originally started the thread with "certain people" rather than naming names. I don't believe Ryan has an auto re-loader I just think he has a fairly fast pc, I can reload as fast as him without a program. What would make someone more annoyed, I have an auto re-loader or I have to reload the room every time you kick me. If he tells you he has an auto re-loader you will just assume you're fighting a losing battle and give up. I'm pretty sure it was a struggle for someone like himself to install shockwave no mind an auto re-loader.

Very good point there in bold.

[HotelUser]

That's incredibly childish reasoning for a ban. Who cares if he feels like he's won, as long as he isn't disruptive it shouldn't be an issue.

Now, if he is disruptive that's another thing all together.

I'm going to ask you to read my post you've replied to:

I assume you already know the reasons why he is still banned

There are perfectly valid reasons why the individual is banned, and you have it completely backwards. If he's allowed in the room he will simply troll it, which is why he is not allowed in the room. If he behaved in the room his ban would have been lifted by now.

That's why the strategy of banning people wasn't used by some former HxHD managers because it's not always the way to go about it. As some have mentioned, help should come first and if help is jeoprodized for trying to kick a lifeless troll, then something isn't right.

The more lax HxHD managers are with rules in the room, the more of a bullying ground and trollfest the room becomes. I have never seen a manager not believe in bans at all. I have seen all bans be lifted from the room, but when this has happened in the past it always caused more problems than it resolved.

i agree with that tbh. . if they are not causing any harm or disruptions then why should they still be banned??? and if the only reason why they are not being unbanned is beacuse he feels like hes won then yea that is really stupid.

but also i agree with richie that the manager SHOULD own hxhd because they are the one in charge of thatdepartmentso they should have more responsibility. It's not really fair treating hxhd manager different compared to other managers and bascially all the hxhd manger is doing at the minute when a user comes into the room is acting like SS as all they can do is kick

If someone isn't causing harm or disruption than they aren't banned from the room in the first place. If someone who is banned stops being abusive and starts behaving their ban is lifted. I have often agreed with what you're saying about the HxHD Manager owning the room. Infact as Manager I probably argued this point a dozen times because it would have made everything so much easier and more constructive for me and my staff. However, it would end up being messy in the long run because the HxHD Manager today might not be the HxHD Manager in a month from now. Having Matt, or even the CAGM own the room offers abit more consistency.


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I'm going to restate that there is not a problem here, and that I am honestly sort of confused as to why this conversation is still taking place. HxHD staff are capable of kicking banned users from the room. Not only that, but their job of kicking banned users from the room has been made incredibly more easy and convenient due to an assortment of reasons which I will not go into in this thread or on the forum in general. Between the power of a large group fo right holders and the room owner popping on now and then to issue bans, HxHD room moderation is as consistant if not more consistant than it ever was. HxHD is not going to start removing bans out of "convenience" because 1) it's not an inconvenient problem to begin with and 2) Habbox will never endorse an official fansite room which mandates rude and bullylike behaviour. We have the resources to ensure that the room is a clean environment and so we should be more concerned with making sure the current staff are moderating the room consistently and thoroughly as opposed to trying to replace them all with a single entity who can not be expected to be online 24/7.

[FlyingJesus]

There are perfectly valid reasons why the individual is banned, and you have it completely backwards. If he's allowed in the room he will simply troll it, which is why he is not allowed in the room. If he behaved in the room his ban would have been lifted by now.

Quite aside from it being impossible to behave in a room that you aren't allowed in, consider this: Trolling the helpdesk (going by the definition of both terms) would be making up issues that do not exist to burden the staff with. Note that since Ryan doesn't do this the issue of him being a troll is therefore one that does not actually exist and upholding his ban is a whole new job in itself for the staff -therefore David it is you and those who go by this reasoning that are trolling the helpdesk.

Not only that, but their job of kicking banned users from the room has been made incredibly more easy and convenient due to an assortment of reasons which I will not go into in this thread or on the forum in general.

This sounds horribly like the endorsement of 3rd party programs. I hope for Habbox's sake that I'm wrong, please if you're unwilling to tell us all the details of the new magic abilities that no-one else has in rooms they have rights to can you at least state officially that to your knowledge 3rd party programs are not being used by staff?