HxHD

[scottish]

If this is going to be happening then surely banning him is causing more disruption than letting him think that he's won.

As you're never in the help desk you're speaking without having any idea of what he does in the help desk or the reason behind his ban.

[FlyingJesus]

A legal issue? Hardly. We're not talking about or distributing autokickers on the forum or in HxHD at all. The only mention I made of third party tools to kick users was earlier when I said if staff members are using such tools that are undetectable, and then not telling us we, as well as Sulake, are unable to do anything about it. Perhaps if you actually read the thread before you came in guns blazing you would have acknowledged the fact

You need to consider your wording of things carefully if you're truly denying this - "not talking about or distributing" such programs doesn't address the issue of them being used, especially when you only state those things as being true on the forum and in HxHD. This is not guns blazing, this is being concerned about the direction Habbox may be going in.

Of course I can officially state that we're not endorsing third party programs on the forum.

I'm not asking if you're endorsing them on the forum, I'm asking if you're endorsing the use of them. That includes all forms of communicative medium. Your apparent reluctance to say outright that staff aren't using autokickers doesn't make things look good.

If you don't want to be banned from the room, I suggest avoiding going in on clones and pretending to be someone who is banned from the room by being rude. I thought that would have been fairly obvious, but as you don't seem to understand I hope that clears it up nicely for you.

I was not pretending to be anyone else. As I've stated, the only thing I said upon entering the room was " :) " and I don't really gather where your belief that is acting as though I were this horrendously abusive monster that you're attempting to tackle comes from. I find a smiley face quite friendly, and I think you'd be hard pressed to find anyone who believes it's rude. I'm not the only person who was wrongly k&b'd for not being a recognisable character, and this hardly shows Habbox off in good light

---------- Post added 08-01-2012 at 07:52 PM ----------

What transpired with FlyingJesus in HxHD is irrelevant because he was on a clone account attempting to mock the banned user's behaviour as so he would be banned; he was essentially attempting to get Matt to make a "mistaken ban" on purpose.

No I wasn't

[Logandyer45]

I agree, Jess should have full control over the radio. What if someone books for 6pm EST (11pm BST) and the 5pm EST (10pm) DJ is still one and you can't get in contact? And Martin should be able to approve articles before they go on the site. And Rares Values Manager gets the Rares Page and Content deals with content.

[scottish]

I agree, Jess should have full control over the radio. What if someone books for 6pm EST (11pm BST) and the 5pm EST (10pm) DJ is still one and you can't get in contact? And Martin should be able to approve articles before they go on the site. And Rares Values Manager gets the Rares Page and Content deals with content.

Can you read? :S

[HotelUser]

You need to consider your wording of things carefully if you're truly denying this - "not talking about or distributing" such programs doesn't address the issue of them being used, especially when you only state those things as being true on the forum and in HxHD. This is not guns blazing, this is being concerned about the direction Habbox may be going in.

You are right there is room for concern with regards to where Habbox is going however that's not part of the underlying problem here. Habbox tells DJs not to stream illegally acquired music and staff not to use third party tools on Habbo. Of course, if we catch either of these things occurring on the client or through the forum, then those staff members will be in trouble. However, since both actions above are very very hard to identify, what I'm saying and what I have been saying throughout this thread is that since we can prove nothing with solid evidence against staff members suspected of breaking the above rules, we're not going to be cruel and strict enough to start dismissing people left and right who we suspect are breaking such rules, when there's really no evidence against them at all. If we started blowing the whistle on what people said others were doing on MSN and Skype, then it would be a massive invasion of privacy, making decisions from an unreliable source, and in doing so would be taking Habbox in a direction where it should not go.

I'm not asking if you're endorsing them on the forum, I'm asking if you're endorsing the use of them. That includes all forms of communicative medium. Your apparent reluctance to say outright that staff aren't using autokickers doesn't make things look good.

I'm very flattered that several individuals believe I am capable of developing such a complex and cool desktop application, but to answer your question, I honestly don't know if, or specifically which staff members are using autokickers or other third party methods of kicking Ryan from the room. What I am and have been saying is that if that is the case, it would be completely impossible to find out unless we could straight up watch the computer screens of an entire department. That's not something we would do even if it were readily possible.

I was not pretending to be anyone else. As I've stated, the only thing I said upon entering the room was " :) " and I don't really gather where your belief that is acting as though I were this horrendously abusive monster that you're attempting to tackle comes from. I find a smiley face quite friendly, and I think you'd be hard pressed to find anyone who believes it's rude. I'm not the only person who was wrongly k&b'd for not being a recognisable character, and this hardly shows Habbox off in good light

My statement towards your behaviour in the room is based upon what severl eye-witnesses have told me who were in the room when your Ryan-clone entered.

[beth]

I agree, Jess should have full control over the radio. What if someone books for 6pm EST (11pm BST) and the 5pm EST (10pm) DJ is still one and you can't get in contact? And Martin should be able to approve articles before they go on the site. And Rares Values Manager gets the Rares Page and Content deals with content.

jess has full control of the radio, as does scott and i also have access to the shoutcast admin. so there's no problems there.


@HotelUser habbox already involves itself in outside conversations. myself and other members of staff have had warnings in regards to something said on facebook. which is obviously none of anyones concern.

[Logandyer45]

jess has full control of the radio, as does scott and i also have access to the shoutcast admin. so there's no problems there.

Oh, I didn't bother reading. Sorry.

[HotelUser]

jess has full control of the radio, as does scott and i also have access to the shoutcast admin. so there's no problems there.


[@]@HotelUser[/@] habbox already involves itself in outside conversations. myself and other members of staff have had warnings in regards to something said on facebook. which is obviously none of anyones concern.

Facebook is different because what you post on Facebook is right out there for everyone to see, and content on Facebook can not be manipulated and twisted in the same way that MSN or Skype chatlog can be. A direct link to an authentic Facebook page with derogatory content on it is valid proof in certain circumstances to take action against a staff or forum member (provided that we can prove beyond doubt that the poster on Facebook is infact the correct forum member, of course).

[Chippiewill]

As you're never in the help desk you're speaking without having any idea of what he does in the help desk or the reason behind his ban.

From what I gather it takes a smiley face to earn a ban in there these days because everyone's on edge for someone who apparently when unprovoked is not a problem.

That's not something we would do even if it were readily possible.

I think there are some windows server tools for it..

[FlyingJesus]

You are right there is room for concern with regards to where Habbox is going however that's not part of the underlying problem here. Habbox tells DJs not to stream illegally acquired music and staff not to use third party tools on Habbo. Of course, if we catch either of these things occurring on the client or through the forum, then those staff members will be in trouble. However, since both actions above are very very hard to identify, what I'm saying and what I have been saying throughout this thread is that since we can prove nothing with solid evidence against staff members suspected of breaking the above rules, we're not going to be cruel and strict enough to start dismissing people left and right who we suspect are breaking such rules, when there's really no evidence against them at all. If we started blowing the whistle on what people said others were doing on MSN and Skype, then it would be a massive invasion of privacy, making decisions from an unreliable source, and in doing so would be taking Habbox in a direction where it should not go.

I'm very flattered that several individuals believe I am capable of developing such a complex and cool desktop application, but to answer your question, I honestly don't know if, or specifically which staff members are using autokickers or other third party methods of kicking Ryan from the room. What I am and have been saying is that if that is the case, it would be completely impossible to find out unless we could straight up watch the computer screens of an entire department. That's not something we would do even if it were readily possible.

Bold part is literally all that you had to say from the start, the rest is nothing to do with what I asked. I'm well aware that catching people out on the forum and client isn't easy if at all possible, I simply wanted to know whether such tools were being advised due to your massively ambiguous comment about new measures that make it easier for staff to kick him. That said, things said and done on msn/fb/elsewhere clearly can be called into question as they still affect the way things are here - especially if as many staff and management discussions take place on msn as they did when I was involved.

My statement towards your behaviour in the room is based upon what severl eye-witnesses have told me who were in the room when your Ryan-clone entered.

The entirety of my behaviour on the account in question (which is not a Ryan clone and I would thank you to stop accusing me of having been such) was walking in and typing a smiley face. I don't know what part of that was so rude and exciting that "several" people supposedly needed to let you know about it but that genuinely is the whole event. The account in question was dressed as a female (as all of my active ones are) and did nothing other than exactly what I've stated.