Student loans scam, perpetrated by.. (you guessed it!)

[Ajthedragon]

Oh that makes it OK then, why don't we just move the remainder of our government over to Brussels because a future government just might do what Brussels does anyway?

The point is why argue a point with VAT when it would have happened regardless of our membership of the EU. If not that then another mysterious tax.

When are they going to make a start?

Ask those in the public sector who have lost their jobs.

[GommeInc]

Ask those in the public sector who have lost their jobs.

That is indeed a cut in the public sector, but all they are doing is cutting certain services to increase spending in others. Any newspaper, even credible ones, are reporting on how there has been no decrease in Government spending.

[Ajthedragon]

That is indeed a cut in the public sector, but all they are doing is cutting certain services to increase spending in others. Any newspaper, even credible ones, are reporting on how there has been no decrease in Government spending.

Yes, but then you could argue that had the economy not stalled and tax revenue was higher then the deficit would be decreasing. Government spending hasn't really decreased, granted, but overall it hasn't increased. Hopefully once the 'efficiency savings' and reduced spending is in full flow thedeficitwill be decreasing.

[-:Undertaker:-]

The point is why argue a point with VAT when it would have happened regardless of our membership of the EU. If not that then another mysterious tax.

Because we don't know that for sure, its like saying the CAP might have been imposed with or without the EU. The point is, the European Union imposed VAT just as its imposed this ridiculous student loans system on us, along with the CAP, employment regulations, the human rights act and the rest of our laws.

Ask those in the public sector who have lost their jobs.

http://www.spectator.co.uk/coffeehou...-figures.thtml

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/c...is-rising.html

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/c...ing-soars.html

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/c...-the-euro.html

http://www.iaza.com/work/120110C/iaza13186194495500.bmp

Yes, but then you could argue that had the economy not stalled and tax revenue was higher then the deficit would be decreasing. Government spending hasn't really decreased, granted, but overall it hasn't increased. Hopefully once the 'efficiency savings' and reduced spending is in full flow thedeficitwill be decreasing.

Government spending has increased and is increasing even ahead of inflation (see graph).

Oh I do love watching Conservatives try to justify this left-wing government, a government the only reason they can give for supporting is 'to get down the debt' - and they're not even doing that.

That is indeed a cut in the public sector, but all they are doing is cutting certain services to increase spending in others. Any newspaper, even credible ones, are reporting on how there has been no decrease in Government spending.

Indeed, and tinkering (including job losses) happened under Labour aswell so there's not a jot of difference.

[Ajthedragon]

Oh I do love watching Conservatives try to justify this left-wing government, a government the only reason they can give for supporting is 'to get down the debt' - and they're not even doing that.

They've been in power for one and a half years, what were you expecting? Also interesting is that the sources regarding borrowing were written less than one year after the new governments formation, and given the spending review wasn't released until the following October it's between 6-9 months. Hardly expecting miracles were we?

But of course UKIP would sort everything out. :rolleyes:

On the subject of India, I do disagree with the government and we shouldn't be giving huge sums to countries more than capable of looking after themselves. Although it may be our morale obligation given our colonial roots that we do so.

And finally on the subject of Europe, wasn't it the 80 Conservatives who ignored the whips and voted for withdrawal from the EU? Oh and was it David Cameron who vetoed a treaty which left the City of London at risk? Moreover let's not forget the very pro-Europe partners in this coalition, so even if it is in the Conservative's beliefs to leave the EU, they won't be able to do so until they win an outright election and probably gather the support from other sides of the house.

[-:Undertaker:-]

They've been in power for one and a half years, what were you expecting? Also interesting is that the sources regarding borrowing were written less than one year after the new governments formation, and given the spending review wasn't released until the following October it's between 6-9 months. Hardly expecting miracles were we?

I expect drastic cuts to our bloated public sector to which Labour added an extra 800,000 people onto when they were certainly not needed, I do not expect an increase across the board or ridiculous increases in foreign aid, taxes and EU contributions. When this government leaves office it will have left us with a bigger debt than even Labour left us with.

Not to mention the fact that the Conservative Party supported Labours' spending plans right upto 2008, they're both as equally guilty for our debt.

But of course UKIP would sort everything out. :rolleyes:

- Out of the EU (£16bn saved immediately there).
- De facto out of EU regulations (£tensofbn saved there).
- An end to foreign aid (around £10bn saved there).

There's a starting point, which is more than the useless Conservative Party has done or ever will do.

On the subject of India, I do disagree with the government and we shouldn't be giving huge sums to countries more than capable of looking after themselves. Although it may be our morale obligation given our colonial roots that we do so.

If you, David Cameron or Andrew Mitchell want to give to charity, do so yourselves.

And finally on the subject of Europe, wasn't it the 80 Conservatives who ignored the whips and voted for withdrawal from the EU? Oh and was it David Cameron who vetoed a treaty which left the City of London at risk? Moreover let's not forget the very pro-Europe partners in this coalition, so even if it is in the Conservative's beliefs to leave the EU, they won't be able to do so until they win an outright election and probably gather the support from other sides of the house.

1) The Conservative Party took us into the EU in the first place.
2) The Conservative Party signed the Single European Act.
3) The Conservative Party signed the Maastricht Treaty.
4) The Conservative Party refuses to give a referendum on the Lisbon Treaty or our membership itself.

..yet you expect me and millions others who no longer vote for that awful party to believe voting Conservative to 'free them' of the Liberal Democrats will result in our departure from the European Union? As for the other examples intended to please me, David Cameron did not veto anything and the 80 Tory MPs remain as powerless and as useless as they did before. Whats been achieved? absolutely nothing.

I and many others are making it our top priority now to destroy this useless backstabbing party which has done nothing for the people it panders to every election for votes, even if it means allowing Labour back in.

[Chippiewill]

Labour back in.

Labour was planning to spend more to prevent double dip, so maybe the inverse would have happened and the government cost would be halved.. I can always dream.

[-:Undertaker:-]

Labour was planning to spend more to prevent double dip

Oh just like the Tories are doing now then.

[Chippiewill]

Oh just like the Tories are doing now then.

I think that the tories were planning to use their entire term just to get to a 0% increase in spending at the end rather than from the start where as Labour didn't want to stop (EVER)

Either way it's a dumb idea and UKIP could have made a £15bn saving off the start.