wow are you serious

[The Don]

And you think we come online expect to people demanding an apology or they will leave a Habbo fansite? You posted a thread and replies were made. Nothing is resolved without a discussion and by the way you have been supporting "such a ridiculous, self destructive place" for over 3+ years because that's how long that rule has been in place.

You can leave Habbox any time you want but you surely would expect to people agree or disagree with you in this thread. Like I said, if you want things to be resolved then normally a discussion has taken place beforehand.

I would expect that if I could see my staff were unfairly editing and warning users, yes. My response is above your post as to why I was actually having a discussion with that person rather than trying to moderate.

Nowhere in my post did I tell the user they had broke a rule, I was directly responding to his post where he stated he hadn't posted offtopic, if I was trying to moderate I would surely inform him he broke a rule (which I didn't) and reference what rule.

[xxMATTGxx]

I would expect that if I could see my staff were unfairly editing and warning users, yes. My response is above your post as to why I was actually having a discussion with that person rather than trying to moderate.

Nowhere in my post did I tell the user they had broke a rule, I was directly responding to his post where he stated he hadn't posted offtopic, if I was tryig to moderate I would surely inform him he broke a rule (which I didn't) and reference what rule.

Well technically you did in a way tell them they are breaking a forum rule. Like I said before hand, it's one of those rules where moderators can easily hand out harsh warnings to even if they are informing a user what not to do since they have broken a rule.

If you are replying to their post because of them saying they haven't, then the post is fine and isn't being a moderator. You are just clearly correcting them that in fact their post is breaking the rules. - Which you shouldn't be told off for. (In terms of them actually saying: "This post isn't off-topic because..")

[Inseriousity.]

Just because your post didn't say it formally "Edited by The Don (Forum Member) - Do not post off topic" doesn't mean you weren't in violation of the leave moderating to the moderators rule. It's a fairly straight-forward rule that is there to stop threads from just becoming a place of 'you broke x, you broke y' - similar to a rule on the DigitalSpy forums where it's not allowed to point out grammar mistakes. It keeps the thread on track and while threads should be able to naturally progress onto other topics, I personally wouldn't want a forum where threads are filled with 'you broke the rules.'

If you are going to leave a forum based on a warning by a moderator, I think it says more about you than this forum, to put it bluntly.

[The Don]

Just because your post didn't say it formally "Edited by The Don (Forum Member) - Do not post off topic" doesn't mean you weren't in violation of the leave moderating to the moderators rule. It's a fairly straight-forward rule that is there to stop threads from just becoming a place of 'you broke x, you broke y' - similar to a rule on the DigitalSpy forums where it's not allowed to point out grammar mistakes. It keeps the thread on track and while threads should be able to naturally progress onto other topics, I personally wouldn't want a forum where threads are filled with 'you broke the rules.'

If you are going to leave a forum based on a warning by a moderator, I think it says more about you than this forum, to put it bluntly.

if you clearly can't be both to read the specific example of what's happened, simply don't respond. I didn't do any of what you assume I did, read before you reply.

Also the fact any of us use a habbo forum speaks volumes about all of us

[Blinger]

Mate, give up now. Pretty much every Member v Staff thread all the staff **** ride each other and get their noses covered in **** to prove a point.
Best to cop it on the chin and yeah.

[Grig]

I reported the said initial post as well and saw your reply. I was really tempted to reply with it too, but, then I wouldn't be contributing anything to the said thread apart from continuing an off topic post, so there was no point.

To me, it's got to contribute to the initial discussion. If it doesn't, then there's no point in posting. You're doing no better replying to that, saying it is off-topic as sometimes the thread will just swerve from the issue at hand.

[Samantha]

If I posted something in the Habbo Rumours section that had already been posted and users then went on to say 'This threads already been posted here' and link me to it, why do they not get the 'leave moderating to the moderators' when that's what they're doing in a sense. They are basically recalling what the moderator message usually says but they don't get warned?

If I posted a Chibi in Habbo Alterations and people said 'it should be posted in this section here' and linked me, again they are basically recalling the mod message and again doesn't get warned.

In these two instances I've noticed this happening with nothing else in the post thus if Don gets warned then surely they should?

[jasey]

Agreed fully with Samanfa.

[Martin]

Hey there!

I think Matt and Mike have pretty much said it all really however I guess I should reply too.


This rule has been around for a long time (and was enforced a lot more when I was a mod in 2009, probably due to people breaking it more ), and is another one of those rules which can have grey areas and can differ based on the context of the post etc.

I don't see the point in telling members they have broken a rule and why etc, that makes you sound more superior than them and I'm not saying it in your case, but in the past it has been known for members to get the rules wrong and thus confuse newer members, which is why its generally best left to the moderators. Reporting a post takes seconds and solves the issue much better. Telling people publically in a thread could a) encourage further pointless posting with them answering back/questioning you, b) causing arguments between members which we have also seen before.

I personally see the moving threads thing to be different, since posting something in the wrong place is not actually breaking a rule, and therefore you wouldnt be telling someone they have broken one.


Anyway back onto the actual rulebreak- I won't discuss it in detail now, however I edited the post because I felt it had broken a rule, as Matt said, sometimes moderators do get things wrong and nobody can be 100% perfect and have exactly the same judgement. In this case I actually got a couple of opinions from other people who are clued up on the rules and they also agreed that the post was breaking a rule. The fact that your post was reported by a member of general management also speaks for itself, considering they should know the rules well too.


I personally think that if you have a problem with the way a moderator has done something then you should be able to contact forum management and get the issue resolved that way, I don't think creating threads like this really solves your issue, and I have told you before when you have disagreed with a decision I have made to do that. On the other hand discussing the rule can be a good thing and I personally think that if you have a problem with my decision then you have a problem with the rule itself.

I would love to apologise to stop you leaving the forum, since people leaving over something like this would be a sad occasion, but I believe that the edit was fair in my eyes. If you don't feel that then that's where you take it up with someone higher. We can't be 100% perfect but in a lot of cases moderation is about using judgement and making decisions, not everyone will agree with said decisions but a line has to be drawn.

In regards to being 'power hungry', I really don't like that term and I do this job because I enjoy doing so and helping enforce the rules. I am not doing it to score points or gain logs. As a super moderator I also have the role of ensuring moderators do the best they can and so a lot of the time we pass rulebreaks onto moderators. We act on reported posts as we see fit, we don't go round desperately hoping for stuff to edit, it doesn't work like that at all, we do it based on the rules.

I don't know what else I can say really, but I'm sorry you disagree with the edit and with Matt/Mike posting etc, hopefully the rule is now more clear, and if not then its something else which needs clarifying by Forum Management.

[The Don]

Hey there!

I think Matt and Mike have pretty much said it all really however I guess I should reply too.


This rule has been around for a long time (and was enforced a lot more when I was a mod in 2009, probably due to people breaking it more ), and is another one of those rules which can have grey areas and can differ based on the context of the post etc.

I don't see the point in telling members they have broken a rule and why etc, that makes you sound more superior than them and I'm not saying it in your case, but in the past it has been known for members to get the rules wrong and thus confuse newer members, which is why its generally best left to the moderators. Reporting a post takes seconds and solves the issue much better. Telling people publically in a thread could a) encourage further pointless posting with them answering back/questioning you, b) causing arguments between members which we have also seen before.

I personally see the moving threads thing to be different, since posting something in the wrong place is not actually breaking a rule, and therefore you wouldnt be telling someone they have broken one.


Anyway back onto the actual rulebreak- I won't discuss it in detail now, however I edited the post because I felt it had broken a rule, as Matt said, sometimes moderators do get things wrong and nobody can be 100% perfect and have exactly the same judgement. In this case I actually got a couple of opinions from other people who are clued up on the rules and they also agreed that the post was breaking a rule. The fact that your post was reported by a member of general management also speaks for itself, considering they should know the rules well too.


I personally think that if you have a problem with the way a moderator has done something then you should be able to contact forum management and get the issue resolved that way, I don't think creating threads like this really solves your issue, and I have told you before when you have disagreed with a decision I have made to do that. On the other hand discussing the rule can be a good thing and I personally think that if you have a problem with my decision then you have a problem with the rule itself.

I would love to apologise to stop you leaving the forum, since people leaving over something like this would be a sad occasion, but I believe that the edit was fair in my eyes. If you don't feel that then that's where you take it up with someone higher. We can't be 100% perfect but in a lot of cases moderation is about using judgement and making decisions, not everyone will agree with said decisions but a line has to be drawn.

In regards to being 'power hungry', I really don't like that term and I do this job because I enjoy doing so and helping enforce the rules. I am not doing it to score points or gain logs. As a super moderator I also have the role of ensuring moderators do the best they can and so a lot of the time we pass rulebreaks onto moderators. We act on reported posts as we see fit, we don't go round desperately hoping for stuff to edit, it doesn't work like that at all, we do it based on the rules.

I don't know what else I can say really, but I'm sorry you disagree with the edit and with Matt/Mike posting etc, hopefully the rule is now more clear, and if not then its something else which needs clarifying by Forum Management.

Well, the general manager has already said it was unfair to be punished for it.

Well technically you did in a way tell them they are breaking a forum rule. Like I said before hand, it's one of those rules where moderators can easily hand out harsh warnings to even if they are informing a user what not to do since they have broken a rule.

If you are replying to their post because of them saying they haven't, then the post is fine and isn't being a moderator. You are just clearly correcting them that in fact their post is breaking the rules. - Which you shouldn't be told off for. (In terms of them actually saying: "This post isn't off-topic because..")

May I have that apology now?

Edit:

I'd also like to pick you up on something you said

The fact that your post was reported by a member of general management also speaks for itself

Are you suggesting that merely because someone is a member of general management, their opinion is correct all the time? if so, that contradicts hugely with what you previously said:

sometimes moderators do get things wrong and nobody can be 100% perfect