The queen to meet former IRA member today

[-:Undertaker:-]

Nope no sarcasm. things happen for a reason.

So that's it then? your response to innocent women, men and children being killed whilst shopping or at home is 'things happen for a reason', ah.

What respect you show for innocent human life.

[Alba]

Is this sarcasm? I really do hope so, but at the risk of this being a genuine comment - yeah i'll freely admit that I find the killing of innocent people (bombs in shopping centres for example) is absolutely disgusting whether it comes from the IRA or the few terrorist Unionist groups that did the same to Catholic areas in Northern Ireland.

So what do you think of the British Army, who have killed many innocent Irish civilians? Are they 'terrorists' aswell?

Why don't you define a terrorist in your own words?

[-:Undertaker:-]

So what do you think of the British Army, who have killed many innocent Irish civilians? Are they 'terrorists' aswell?

Why don't you define a terrorist in your own words?

I don't pretend that the British army hasn't done bad things and done many rogue things in its history, as any army has done so.

The difference between the IRA and the British Army however is that the British army aims to (and does and did) protect innocent civillians from the likes of the IRA and UAF who used bombs against innocent peope to pursue minority political aims because, and I know IRA sympathiers will hate when I say this, the majority of people in Northern Ireland consider themselves British hence Ulster ought to remain British.

Those on here who are excusing what the IRA did is simply a reflection on their own character and what they think of human life.

[DPS]

So what do you think of the British Army, who have killed many innocent Irish civilians? Are they 'terrorists' aswell?

Why don't you define a terrorist in your own words?

So true...

I love how the British Army can invade... but when people stand up for themself and fight fire with fire nobody is happy.

Look how many innocent people have been killed in iraq and afghan.. thanks to the british army.

[Alba]

I don't pretend that the British army hasn't done bad things and done many rogue things in its history, as any army has done so.

The difference between the IRA and the British Army however is that the British army aims to (and does and did) protect innocent civillians from the likes of the IRA and UAF who used bombs against innocent peope to pursue minority political aims because, and I know IRA sympathiers will hate when I say this, the majority of people in Northern Ireland consider themselves British hence Ulster ought to remain British.

Those on here who are excusing what the IRA did is simply a reflection on their own character and what they think of human life.

So much wrong with that post that I don't know were to begin.

The British commited war crimes against the Irish long before the IRA came around. Are you going to stand by as your fellow countrymen get slaughtered for being Irish, speaking Irish, being Catholic? Or will you fight back at the rogue army invading your country?

The BA killed countless Irish civilians, their death toll of innocents in Ireland totals way more of innocents that the IRA killed. They executed a priest because they were frustrated with guerrilla tactics, they opened fire at a Gaelic football game, christ they burnt down Cork City! They even worked with the UVF, and picked out members to train them for death squads.

Then you have the more well know depiscables - Bloody Sunday, Springhill and Ballymurphy massacres, and the shoot to kill policy which was enforced in the North of Ireland by the British.

Plus more: http://www.britisharmykillings.org.uk/

I suggest you read everything on that site, everything isn't as black and white as you see it, or more importantly as the British Media want you to see it.

So i'll ask again, define to me a terrorist?

[dbgtz]

So much wrong with that post that I don't know were to begin.

The British commited war crimes against the Irish long before the IRA came around. Are you going to stand by as your fellow countrymen get slaughtered for being Irish, speaking Irish, being Catholic? Or will you fight back at the rogue army invading your country?

The BA killed countless Irish civilians, their death toll of innocents in Ireland totals way more of innocents that the IRA killed. They executed a priest because they were frustrated with guerrilla tactics, they opened fire at a Gaelic football game, christ they burnt down Cork City! They even worked with the UVF, and picked out members to train them for death squads.

Then you have the more well know depiscables - Bloody Sunday, Springhill and Ballymurphy massacres, and the shoot to kill policy which was enforced in the North of Ireland by the British.

Plus more: http://www.britisharmykillings.org.uk/

I suggest you read everything on that site, everything isn't as black and white as you see it, or more importantly as the British Media want you to see it.

So i'll ask again, define to me a terrorist?

This is purely at the site. It has zero credibility, especially when it hosts images like this:

[Alba]

Well look at the stories on the site and do some research of your own, if you don't believe it. Countless other sites will have the same victims, bombings etc at the hands of the BA.

I don't agree with the Poppy either, although I do support and respect the veterans of the WWs. I just don't like what it represents as a whole, as I don't respect British Army of the last 50 or so years.

So it's not really surprising to see such pictures on that website..

[dbgtz]

Well look at the stories on the site and do some research of your own, if you don't believe it. Countless other sites will have the same victims, bombings etc at the hands of the BA.

I don't agree with the Poppy either, although I do support and respect the veterans of the WWs. I just don't like what it represents as a whole, as I don't respect British Army of the last 50 or so years.

So it's not really surprising to see such pictures on that website..

I did not find these countless other sites. The whole conflict seemed to be the IRAs fault anyway, frustrated that the whole of Ireland wasn't a republic when it was clear since the independent Ireland was formed in the 1920s that Northern Ireland was not on the same page. They did not have the right to use force.

Also at the second point, it represents fallen friends, family and last of all soldiers.

And to be quite honest, the ROI has fallen since independence and would have probably been better in the UK. Needless to say, many in power in Ireland are morons. I'd like to add about the comment that I'm not promoting any sort of invasion or warfare, just thinking retrospectively.

[Alba]

Alas, if you can't find anything through Google... The site I initially linked is one of the best that documents most crimes that the British done, the. A crudely made Poppy appeal image doesn't change that.

Surprised that 'Ballymurphy and Springhill massacre' 'Bloody Sunday' 'Shoot to Kill policy Northern Ireland' and a few of the victims didn't at least come up on Google though, they do for me.

I'd also like to add i'm not saying everything that IRA did was right, but to claim the British Army wasn't as bad/did things to protect others (as the poster who I first quoted did) is absolute none sense.

[-:Undertaker:-]

So true...

I love how the British Army can invade... but when people stand up for themself and fight fire with fire nobody is happy.

The IRA did not 'stand up for themselves', the IRA embarked on a terrorist campaign to force HM Government to surrender Northern Ireland to the Republic of Ireland simply because it had a sizable pro-Republican population. Well, like it or not the majority of the population in Northern Ireland wish to remain British. The IRA, being the anti-democrats and generally nasty group of human beings they are decided to respond using murder and fear in an attempt to bring about their political aims.

Look how many innocent people have been killed in iraq and afghan.. thanks to the british army.

I'm no supporter of the Iraq/Afghanistan wars either as anybody will tell you, however a) the British army at least faces those it engages in battle in (which is more than can be said for the cowardly IRA) & b) the actions of the British army overseas do not justify killing innocent people in Ireland.

Unlike IRA sympathisers like yourself, i'm at least able to state very clearly that all purpose-driven killing of innocent people is absolutely disgusting no matter what the cause - whether it is the IRA, US drones or Unionist paramilitary groups.

So much wrong with that post that I don't know were to begin.

The British commited war crimes against the Irish long before the IRA came around. Are you going to stand by as your fellow countrymen get slaughtered for being Irish, speaking Irish, being Catholic? Or will you fight back at the rogue army invading your country?

You mean hundreds of years ago? true, but then lots of other things have occured - if we all based who we ought to fight on what happened hundreds of years ago then the Turks would still be fighting the Greeks and Hungarians, the British would be fighting the Italians, the French would be fighting the Spanish and Germans and the Saudis would be at war with Iraq, Iran and Jordan.

Thankfully, most of us are able to put the past behind us rather than continue hundred year old conflicts.

The BA killed countless Irish civilians, their death toll of innocents in Ireland totals way more of innocents that the IRA killed. They executed a priest because they were frustrated with guerrilla tactics, they opened fire at a Gaelic football game, christ they burnt down Cork City! They even worked with the UVF, and picked out members to train them for death squads.

The British government worked with UVF because in times of war you sometimes have to gather intelligence from unfavourable sources, especially justified when you're fighting a just war which Northern Ireland was - and this is the central issue. The people of Northern Ireland wish to remain a part of the United Kingdom, therefore any political argument supporting the IRA is null and void - that is if you respect the democratic voice of the people.

Then you have the more well know depiscables - Bloody Sunday, Springhill and Ballymurphy massacres, and the shoot to kill policy which was enforced in the North of Ireland by the British.

I could also give numerous (and far more) examples of IRA crimes because unlike the British army in those terrible incidents, the IRA incidents were not isolated incidents - they were of a targeted campaign by an organisation to kill innocent people.

I also denounce and killing of innocents as I made clear before, and ask if you'll do the same.

So i'll ask again, define to me a terrorist?

A group which purposely targets innocent civilians to bring about their cause; the UVF/IRA/Al Qaeda. The British army, although committing some foul acts in the past is exempt from this as is the US army and others and why? because the incidents which you speak of were rogue incidents and not the tactic of the army itself nor offical policy.

And that my friend is the difference, and it doesn't make anything the IRA/UVF have done right and it doesn't make any of the isolated foul acts of the British/US army right either. But again, unlike myself - you refuse to condemn the killing of innocents (unless its the UVF/British army).