What phone do you have?

[HotelUser]

Why, exactly? Almost 3 months later and I still love it. Yes, curves are **** (and the work of the devil), but as long as you don't clog it up with useless apps or files it works absolutely fine. I am yet to have a problem with it

For the same price, you could of gotten a smartphone

[GommeInc]

Galaxy Nexus. Absolutely love it

[lawrawrrr]

For the same price, you could of gotten a smartphone

I don't like touchscreens. And I like having a physical keyboard infront of me.

[HotelUser]

I don't like touchscreens. And I like having a physical keyboard infront of me.

To each there own, but I personally like having a phone that has better functionality.

[lawrawrrr]

To each there own, but I personally like having a phone that has better functionality.

i think you mean each to their own, and i don't really get what you mean. It sends text, makes and receives calls, uses internet data for similar functions, has awesome calendar/organizational functions and even browses the internet. What else do you need from a phone?

[HotelUser]

i think you mean each to their own, and i don't really get what you mean. It sends text, makes and receives calls, uses internet data for similar functions, has awesome calendar/organizational functions and even browses the internet. What else do you need from a phone?

I do mean their as opposed to there, that should be quite clear. I don't mean to sound like a negative Nancy here, but:

- The resolution of your phone is awful and the screen size is minuscule
- The BlackBerry 6 web browser doesn't even compare to Chrome on Android
- Your processor is a piece of garbage and is easily trumped by even old Galaxy handsets (and I'm not talking about a small difference, you're 624Mhz compared to 1Ghz+ duo and quad core)
- Only has 256mb internal storage (which is actually shocking, loads of Samsung phones have 2GB+ internal storage)
- there is a very limited amount of apps available to you (I'm not just talking about a small difference, I'm talking about a difference of hundreds of thousands)
- all your data is routed through a BES server which has proven to be unreliable and slower (only business people benefit from this not consumers but don't try telling RIM that)
- your data is upto 6x slower in uploads and downloads than in real smartphones due to the poor radio in the bold
- your camera is 5MP which is surprisingly good for RIM, but compared to the iPhone 4s and many Android handsets you could of gotten 8MP
- Your battery life is worse than even old versions of the Samsung Galaxy such as the S (and worse than the iPhone 4S which is even worse than the iPhone 4's battery life)
- Android and iOS both have really nice voice controls which bbos lacks
- Even comparing your bold to the old iPhone 4 and the old Samsung Galaxy, your phone is thicker in dimensions
- No accelerometer (HOW DID THIS HAPPEN?)
- No video call camera (for instance Samsung and Apple have front facing cameras for video calls)

Here's a rough comparison of your phone to the Galaxy W, which was released in 2011 (presently outdated handset):

http://geekaphone.com/compare/Samsun...erry-Bold-9780

Here's a rough comparison of your phone to the Galaxy S III (more recent Samsung phone):

http://www.esato.com/phones/compare....one=688&cp=925

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The matter of opinion here isn't whether BlackBerry handsets are better than other handsets, because it's factual that BlackBerry handsets are remarkably worse than other handsets (the hardware and software evidence doesn't lie). The only matter of opinion here is whether you're happy having a worse phone, when you could have gotten a better phone for the same price.

I don't want to say anybody got ripped off for buying certain phones (maybe there's a circumstance here that I don't know about), but when folks waltz into a phone store and come out with a BlackBerry (or even other phones) over better phones in the market, they often got ripped off by their phone carriers (who's motivations aren't to please consumers but are to maximise sales commissions). I strongly urge you in the future to take an hour and just do a bit of research before you make an investment in a phone again (especially in the Canada/American market where we have 3 year contracts as the norm). You or your parents are going to spend hundreds or in some cases thousands of dollars in cellular bills a year so you might as well maximise your enjoyment out of your handset, as opposed to just settling for something worse off.

The phone market has changed a lot since Palm, RIM and Nokia dominated the industry, and you can get a LOT more bang for the buck if you're willing to put a bit more effort into finding out what the best buy is, as opposed to just settling for what's convenient, or what you're used to (because even though you might not be used to an Android phone, a lot of people would say having to get used using it is nothing in comparison to how much certain Android phones bring to the table).

[lawrawrrr]

I do mean their as opposed to there, that should be quite clear. I don't mean to sound like a negative Nancy here, but:

- The resolution of your phone is awful and the screen size is minuscule

I don't notice screen issues whatsoever, to have a bigger screen means having a bigger phone (i like the size) or no keyboard.

- The BlackBerry 6 web browser doesn't even compare to Chrome on Android

The browser isn't the best but I don't use it, most of the time I have my laptop. I use it for HxF, and googling things.

- Your processor is a piece of garbage and is easily trumped by even old Galaxy handsets (and I'm not talking about a small difference, you're 624Mhz compared to 1Ghz+ duo and quad core)

Why on earth do I need a massive processor, I don't even use enough to need more

- Only has 256mb internal storage (which is actually shocking, loads of Samsung phones have 2GB+ internal storage)

That's what media cards were invented for. Transferrable storage.

- there is a very limited amount of apps available to you (I'm not just talking about a small difference, I'm talking about a difference of hundreds of thousands)

BRB downloading thousands of apps to slow my phone down - noone needs apps on their phone. I have Facebook, Twitter, Whatsapp and 2 games. Literally can't think of something else I'd need?

- all your data is routed through a BES server which has proven to be unreliable and slower (only business people benefit from this not consumers but don't try telling RIM that)

I only have speed issues when Orange **** up my contract and the 3G dies.

- your data is upto 6x slower in uploads and downloads than in real smartphones due to the poor radio in the bold

why on earth does anyone need to upload or download anything on their PHONE. My 'contract' doesn't even cover videos so that rules that out

- your camera is 5MP which is surprisingly good for RIM, but compared to the iPhone 4s and many Android handsets you could of gotten 8MP

I have a 12MP camera.

- Your battery life is worse than even old versions of the Samsung Galaxy such as the S (and worse than the iPhone 4S which is even worse than the iPhone 4's battery life)

Where you're getting that fact from is beyond me, my phone lasts much longer than my friend's iphones when we use them the same amount (they usually have to charge every day, me once ever 2 or 3)

- Android and iOS both have really nice voice controls which bbos lacks

I'd rather not look crazy talking to my phone

- Even comparing your bold to the old iPhone 4 and the old Samsung Galaxy, your phone is thicker in dimensions

I'd rather not have something that FEELS flimsy, it's much thinner than my old blackberry. I used to have the v3i and I always felt like I was going to break it.

- No accelerometer (HOW DID THIS HAPPEN?)

I don't even know what this is so it can't be that important

- No video call camera (for instance Samsung and Apple have front facing cameras for video calls)

Yeah a front facing camera would be nice, but a bit of a fad. My 'contract' once again wouldn't cover video calls, but they're pointless anyway - I have skype on my laptop for that.

Here's a rough comparison of your phone to the Galaxy W, which was released in 2011 (presently outdated handset):

http://geekaphone.com/compare/Samsun...erry-Bold-9780

Here's a rough comparison of your phone to the Galaxy S III (more recent Samsung phone):

http://www.esato.com/phones/compare....one=688&cp=925

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The matter of opinion here isn't whether BlackBerry handsets are better than other handsets, because it's factual that BlackBerry handsets are remarkably worse than other handsets (the hardware and software evidence doesn't lie). The only matter of opinion here is whether you're happy having a worse phone, when you could have gotten a better phone for the same price.

Good for that comparison - I CAN'T USE TOUCHSCREENS so find me a decent alternative with a keyboard and I'll listen to anything you have to say.

[HotelUser]

I don't notice screen issues whatsoever, to have a bigger screen means having a bigger phone (i like the size) or no keyboard.

No it doesn't. Half your phone is your keyboard, and you can get one of equal size with a slideout...

The browser isn't the best but I don't use it, most of the time I have my laptop. I use it for HxF, and googling things.

It's awful, there is better and even when you're just out and about on facebook or checking a small thing your browser is still worse, and your data is still waaay slower

Why on earth do I need a massive processor

Because it helps to make your phone faster......

That's what media cards were invented for. Transferrable storage.

You mean SD cards? That's another expense and your phone only allows for 32GB maximum. Also unless you fork over the cash for a good SD card you wont get a big one with read write speeds as fast as solid state storage built into your phone. In other words it's slower.

BRB downloading thousands of apps to slow my phone down - noone needs apps on their phone. I have Facebook, Twitter, Whatsapp and 2 games. Literally can't think of something else I'd need?

1. Nobody has thousands of apps
2. Having a lot of apps doesn't automatically make your phone slower
3. Your phone is way slower to begin with
4. You asked what apps you need. Apple and Google devs make bucketloads of money from app sales so clearly a lot of people like application availability You might too, if you had apps at your disposal but on BBOS you have no such luxury. You don't know what you're missing out on

I only have speed issues when Orange **** up my contract and the 3G dies.

I didn't say you have inconsistencies with speed, I said your download and upload speeds are much worse than other handsets. If you bought a smartphone you could have 6x faster download speeds and 4x faster upload speeds.

why on earth does anyone need to upload or download anything on their PHONE. My 'contract' doesn't even cover videos so that rules that out

Every time you go on the internet, download a song, download an app, send a BB message, a KiK message, whatsapp message, check an email, send an email, post on twitter, view twitter you are using data and that's uploading and downloading.

You like countless other consumers are misled in the mobile industry to believe that data is only for web browsing but in reality a plethora of your mobile functionality is dependant on mobile data. This has lead to mobile carriers creating "blackberry data" plans and removing unlimited data plans, as well as making them more expensive, in the US and Canada. People don't realize how certain aspects of the industry work, and corporations take advantage of us by overcharging.

I have a 12MP camera.

I carry around my phone and use that as my camera. You complained about size if your screen was bigger, so surly carrying around a camera and your phone is even worse

Your phone camera is a miserably outdated 5MP.

Where you're getting that fact from is beyond me, my phone lasts much longer than my friend's iphones when we use them the same amount (they usually have to charge every day, me once ever 2 or 3)

Tell her to turn off location services, bluetooth, wifi, dim her screen and close unnecessary push services then. There are Android phones and iphones which have better battery conditions than your phone.

I'd rather not look crazy talking to my phone

I'd rather be able to just say in my bed "set an alarm for tomorrow at 8am, disable wifi" and have my phone do it for me. It's a feature your phone lacks.

I'd rather not have something that FEELS flimsy, it's much thinner than my old blackberry. I used to have the v3i and I always felt like I was going to break it.

There's loads and loads of Android phones, and Apple devices which do not feel flimsy :S

I don't even know what this is so it can't be that important

So everything you don't understand isn't important? When I don't understand something I try to learn about it, but maybe this attitude you have is the reason you don't care that you've been ripped off by buying that handset.

When I rotate my phone it rotates the screen orientation for me. When I bring my phone to my ear it turns off the screen to conserve battery life. When I play games I can twist my phone like a wii mote and use it as a controller. When I want to invoke siri I can shake my phone and it pops up.

Just because you don't understand something, doesn't mean it's not "important". Just because you've never used something, you can't pass judgement on it.

Yeah a front facing camera would be nice, but a bit of a fad. My 'contract' once again wouldn't cover video calls, but they're pointless anyway - I have skype on my laptop for that.

If you think you need to pay your carrier for "video calling" then it's possible you're being mislead by advertising (unless you mean you don't have a lot of data to use on video calling and that you would need to buy data from your carrier specifically for a service like skype).

On iOS and Android you can just use skype over wifi or 3g and video call. On iOS you can use FaceTime. These are features built into the operating system, and are not related to your phone carrier at all.

Good for that comparison - I CAN'T USE TOUCHSCREENS so find me a decent alternative with a keyboard and I'll listen to anything you have to say.

There's a HOP down in New York so I can't get on half of the internet, but there's lots of HTC phones with nice keyboards, just go to their site and check it out.

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It sounds like your stance is that you don't know what features are, or you don't need them. Nobody needs them but for the same price as your phone surly you want what's most price efficient for what you get. For $1000 for instance, I could buy one computer or I could buy another computer, and chances are one of those computers would have better benchmarks then the other (for various reasons, different manufactures, different sellers, manufactured in different years). Hopefully before I made the buy I would of done my research and hopefully I would have bought the computer with the better specs. It's the exact same thing with phones. They're mobile computers and after activation feeds, paying for your phone and paying monthly fees they're pretty much just as if not more expensive.

[Circadia]

HTC Desire C

[lawrawrrr]

No it doesn't. Half your phone is your keyboard, and you can get one of equal size with a slideout...

slides are usually touchscreens too, and prone to being broken.

It's awful, there is better and even when you're just out and about on facebook or checking a small thing your browser is still worse, and your data is still waaay slower

since when have you owned a blackberry to know how bad it is? my phone often searches faster than my dad's iphone when we're on the same network!!

Because it helps to make your phone faster......

don't need it any faster, does everythin as soon as i tell it too

You mean SD cards? That's another expense and your phone only allows for 32GB maximum. Also unless you fork over the cash for a good SD card you wont get a big one with read write speeds as fast as solid state storage built into your phone. In other words it's slower.

I honestly don't know how I afforded 4 quid for a 4GB memory card Tough times indeed... I have 4 'alarm' songs and a few photos stored, don't need anything more!

1. Nobody has thousands of apps
2. Having a lot of apps doesn't automatically make your phone slower
3. Your phone is way slower to begin with
4. You asked what apps you need. Apple and Google devs make bucketloads of money from app sales so clearly a lot of people like application availability You might too, if you had apps at your disposal but on BBOS you have no such luxury. You don't know what you're missing out on

1) hyperbole
2) does on a blackberry
3) it's fast enough for me
4) i. do. not. need. any. other. apps. The only app I'd like that's not available on BB is StarMap, but, as like so many other things, technology takes the fun out of stargazing.

I didn't say you have inconsistencies with speed, I said your download and upload speeds are much worse than other handsets. If you bought a smartphone you could have 6x faster download speeds and 4x faster upload speeds.

Every time you go on the internet, download a song, download an app, send a BB message, a KiK message, whatsapp message, check an email, send an email, post on twitter, view twitter you are using data and that's uploading and downloading.

I didn't say I didn't, I just said I don't need them. I realise that I'm using basic upload/download speeds for every little thing, I'm not stupid, but it's pretty much instant!

You like countless other consumers are misled in the mobile industry to believe that data is only for web browsing but in reality a plethora of your mobile functionality is dependant on mobile data. This has lead to mobile carriers creating "blackberry data" plans and removing unlimited data plans, as well as making them more expensive, in the US and Canada. People don't realize how certain aspects of the industry work, and corporations take advantage of us by overcharging.

Once again I'm not stupid, I know blackberry are being greedy by the way they need to have data plans but that's exactly why i'm not on a contract! Your beloved apple is WAY more infamous for overcharging for effectively, **** materials, so don't even start that. It'd be going offtopic so I'm not saying any more on that.

I carry around my phone and use that as my camera. You complained about size if your screen was bigger, so surly carrying around a camera and your phone is even worse

Your phone camera is a miserably outdated 5MP.

Phone goes in pocket, camera in bag. Not a problem. And boohoo, 5mp, phones are phones cameras are cameras.

Tell her to turn off location services, bluetooth, wifi, dim her screen and close unnecessary push services then. There are Android phones and iphones which have better battery conditions than your phone.

Him, and as far as I'm aware he already does, as he doesn't have his own charger and has to rely on other people's.

I'd rather be able to just say in my bed "set an alarm for tomorrow at 8am, disable wifi" and have my phone do it for me. It's a feature your phone lacks.

Clearly you're very lazy then. Pressing one button isn't exactly the epitome of 'active' but still

There's loads and loads of Android phones, and Apple devices which do not feel flimsy :S

Obviously they don't FEEL flimsy but they don't feel, like, there. IDK how to describe it, but I like to know I'm holding a phone

So everything you don't understand isn't important? When I don't understand something I try to learn about it, but maybe this attitude you have is the reason you don't care that you've been ripped off by buying that handset.

Just because you don't understand something, doesn't mean it's not "important". Just because you've never used something, you can't pass judgement on it.

Yeah I wasn't ripped off at all. Buying an iPhone, that's being ripped off. What I meant is, my phone works fine for me without one so it doesn't really effect me.

When I rotate my phone it rotates the screen orientation for me. When I bring my phone to my ear it turns off the screen to conserve battery life. When I play games I can twist my phone like a wii mote and use it as a controller. When I want to invoke siri I can shake my phone and it pops up.

I don't need to rotate my phone. When I'm on the phone the screen turns off to conserve battery life. I don't play many games, only ones that need the keyboard/trackpad. If i want to invoke voice commands I press 1 small button.

If you think you need to pay your carrier for "video calling" then it's possible you're being mislead by advertising (unless you mean you don't have a lot of data to use on video calling and that you would need to buy data from your carrier specifically for a service like skype).

On iOS and Android you can just use skype over wifi or 3g and video call. On iOS you can use FaceTime. These are features built into the operating system, and are not related to your phone carrier at all.

My package only covers basic things, so it wouldn't cover that. I barely like video calling on skype so why i'd need that on a phone is beyyyonnnnddddd me.

There's a HOP down in New York so I can't get on half of the internet, but there's lots of HTC phones with nice keyboards, just go to their site and check it out.

yes for 3x the price I paid for my phone... and my package is so cheap you can't get a similar one for androids!
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It sounds like your stance is that you don't know what features are, or you don't need them. Nobody needs them but for the same price as your phone surly you want what's most price efficient for what you get. For $1000 for instance, I could buy one computer or I could buy another computer, and chances are one of those computers would have better benchmarks then the other (for various reasons, different manufactures, different sellers, manufactured in different years). Hopefully before I made the buy I would of done my research and hopefully I would have bought the computer with the better specs. It's the exact same thing with phones. They're mobile computers and after activation feeds, paying for your phone and paying monthly fees they're pretty much just as if not more expensive.

My stance is more... you need to realise that not everyone's like you. People like different things, people have different needs/expectations from a phone. I don't see the point in paying as much as I did for a decent laptop and decent(ish) camera and paying another huge lump (which quite frankly, I don't have) for something that performs the same functions. I did a bit of research when getting this phone but I had a blackberry for 2 years before I got this one, and the only issues I had with it was because of how badly I treated it.

For the price I paid I could get probably the worst HTC and an eigth of an iPhone, not particularly useful.

I think you need to realise that not everyone is like you.