Can moderating just stay as it is

[The Don]

I think that change happened during the period when both Chris and Martin rage quit so it's not really anyone's fault, and if we are blaming someone, shouldn't Chris have looked at the rules again/any updates when he got forum manager?

[Chris]

Thank you @Comity for putting it so succinctly Had etc not been there, the rule in itself would make no sense as there are loads of harmless abbreviations out there not already listed, hence moderators should act when an abbreviation is used to offend rather than used to make a statement.

If you weren't told about any changes @Chris, blame upper-management who yet again are doing the job of the Forum Manager (which I've always argued is an incredibly pointless position as they lack any real power and seem to be a sub-division of Community Manager).

Also, when are the "What are your" threads going to be moved back to their respective forums? The two members who argued for the change seemed to of disappeared when their arguments broke down and it was revealed that the change was to spite new members (a terrible idea) and the change came about because of made up rule or a poorly interpreted account of a rule that currently exists.

The role isn't a pointless one, but you're welcome to think what you like.

As for the "What are you" threads, they aren't being moved back.

Thanks for the blame on upper-management but I do believe the change was put into place when Scott or Brandon was in the Forum Manager role.



Isn't this is what we are talking about? If not then I'm not quite sure when it is changed but it wasn't personally changed by me. It was done by one of the Forum Managers for sure.

Thanks for finding that If that wasn't announced in the development section then no one was to know of the change officially.

I think that change happened during the period when both Chris and Martin rage quit so it's not really anyone's fault, and if we are blaming someone, shouldn't Chris have looked at the rules again/any updates when he got forum manager?

No because any major changes should have been announced, besides which I was never gone for long anyway so I was always kept in the loop on things.

[The Don]

The role isn't a pointless one, but you're welcome to think what you like.

As for the "What are you" threads, they aren't being moved back.



Thanks for finding that If that wasn't announced in the development section then no one was to know of the change officially.


No because any major changes should have been announced, besides which I was never gone for long anyway so I was always kept in the loop on things.

changing a rule slightly isn't a major change and if you kept in the loop we wouldn't be having this discussion

[GommeInc]

As for the "What are you" threads, they aren't being moved back.

So you listened to the two members whose reasons didn't make sense? The matter has actually been discussed for once and the change is now regarded as pointless. Seems a bit unfair :/

changing a rule slightly isn't a major change and if you kept in the loop we wouldn't be having this discussion

He's become political and put a spin on things He clearly isn't in the loop but he will claim he is. It's very Cameron-esque!

That said, knowing where the rule change came in doesn't really matter. The rule clearly reflects brandon's change, and that's all that really matters :/

[Chris]

changing a rule slightly isn't a major change and if you kept in the loop we wouldn't be having this discussion

If any rule is changed then its announced and the moderators are informed. If it's not then how do you expect anyone to know about it? I was kept in the loop on things which were actually announced, since this was not then no one was to know.

So you listened to the two members whose reasons didn't make sense? The matter has actually been discussed for once and the change is now regarded as pointless. Seems a bit unfair :/

We're not changing it back because theres no need to. It isn't having an effect on the forum activity and no one except you seems to care anyway.

[GommeInc]

We're not changing it back because theres no need to. It isn't having an effect on the forum activity and no one except you seems to care anyway.

There was no need to move the threads in the first place, so why make the change? As for having no effect on the forum activity, before it wasn't causing any problems hence it's change for the sake of change. You've sort of admitted you made the change for the sake of it, by suggesting it hasn't had an effect on forum activity... It really makes no sense

If any rule is changed then its announced and the moderators are informed. If it's not then how do you expect anyone to know about it? I was kept in the loop on things which were actually announced, since this was not then no one was to know.

So you weren't in the loop then? You're in the loop whether it's announced or not. It's sort of the definition and usage of the phrase...

[Chris]

There was no need to move the threads in the first place, so why make the change? As for having no effect on the forum activity, before it wasn't causing any problems hence it's change for the sake of change. You've sort of admitted you made the change for the sake of it, by suggesting it hasn't had an effect on forum activity... It really makes no sense


So you weren't in the loop then? You're in the loop whether it's announced or not. It's sort of the definition and usage of the phrase...

It was created because the threads generate no discussion and people didn't like the fact that you got post count from them. This wouldn't have been an issue if it wasn't habbox and its silly ways but to be honest I couldn't have cared less whether they were moved or not. At the end of the day the argument was that a forum is for discussion and those threads weren't creating any.

I was in the loop as to what was happening in the department...if moderators at the time would have been told about it then I'm sure I would have known, but it wasn't and nobody was aware of the change except for the people who read the feedback thread. Does it really matter anyway?

[GommeInc]

It was created because the threads generate no discussion and people didn't like the fact that you got post count from them. This wouldn't have been an issue if it wasn't habbox and its silly ways but to be honest I couldn't have cared less whether they were moved or not. At the end of the day the argument was that a forum is for discussion and those threads weren't creating any.

You should probably read the other thread about this by @-:Undertaker:- as that's where the discussion lies. In short, the people who wanted the change said:

1. These threads are against the rules
2. People brag about post counts.
3. Post counts are important.
4. New users were abusing these threads.

However, these claims are incredibly weak.

Firstlly, they're not against the rules as the rule states that posts are pointless if they contain fewer than two words. There was an average of 5 in the "What are you listening to..." thread.
Secondly, no one brags about post counts.
Thirdly, the ranking system shows that post counts aren't that important. A bit of math in some of these threads and you would discover the average number of posts was about 938 posts per person a year, which isn't a lot.
Lastly, if new users are keeping active on the forum because of these threads then they should be praised as member count is incredibly important and to make change for the sake of change without considering member actively is completely ridiculous.

Also, the argument for "a forum is a place of discussion" is silly. A forum is actually a place to share ideas, tastes, hobbies, interests etc. etc. Whether discussion comes out of it is up to the users, and quite a few threads do not really make for a discussion - quite a few users as far as I can tell just make one post in a thread and that's it. Are you going to attack members in the Tech forum who reply to "help" threads once and never come back? That's hardly a discussion, more a contribution. Besides, if people are putting the effort into posting then surely these threads have a point?

[Chris]

As far as I'm concerned, if it hasn't dented forum activity then it really doesn't matter where the threads are.

[lawrawrrr]

Firstlly, they're not against the rules as the rule states that posts are pointless if they contain fewer than two words. There was an average of 5 in the "What are you listening to..." thread.

So a post can't be pointless if it has over 2 words? You're just being pedantic now.

Secondly, no one brags about post counts.

Yes they do.

Thirdly, the ranking system shows that post counts aren't that important. A bit of math in some of these threads and you would discover the average number of posts was about 938 posts per person a year, which isn't a lot.

Don't really get what your point here is. They are superfluous, yes I agree, but they should still reflect a user's actual activity, not the amount one person can spam a thread pointlessly.

Lastly, if new users are keeping active on the forum because of these threads then they should be praised as member count is incredibly important and to make change for the sake of change without considering member actively is completely ridiculous.

So you're suggesting rewarding and congratulating members for spamming with pointless posts? They can still post in them - like you said, post counts aren't important so why would a new member care if their post count went up or not? Your argument is full of loopholes.

Also, the argument for "a forum is a place of discussion" is silly. A forum is actually a place to share ideas, tastes, hobbies, interests etc. etc. Whether discussion comes out of it is up to the users, and quite a few threads do not really make for a discussion - quite a few users as far as I can tell just make one post in a thread and that's it. Are you going to attack members in the Tech forum who reply to "help" threads once and never come back? That's hardly a discussion, more a contribution. Besides, if people are putting the effort into posting then surely these threads have a point?

If a thread doesn't promote discussion at all, then it is a spam thread, at the end of the day. Threads such as - 'Who is you favourite artist?' would promote discussion (probably) as members could compare and suggest similar artists to people who share a similar music taste.

As for members who make 1 post then never return to the thread - the change wasn't made because of that; it was made because of the people that post thousands of times in it, boosting their post count so they can get extra privileges, and boast about it to other people. Contributing is fine; spamming is not.

Think about it - what's the POINT of a 'Post what you're listening to' thread? All other threads have a point - to let people know about the latest Habbo updates; to get help fixing a technology problem; whereas the threads in the Assorted/Misc forum literally have no point to them (aka pointless which is what we class as spam) as the majority of users couldn't give a flying rat's ass what everyone else is listening to.