Book Club ~ Twilight: Breaking Dawn

[Empired]

I've been a Twilight fan for years now, and Breaking Dawn used to be my favourite book out of them all, but now it isn't.
I know I didn't realise how sick I was of Bella until reaching the part of Breaking Dawn where Jacob was the narrator. I know many people say Bella has unrealistic views and all that, I didn't think so. But then when I read Jacob's part I realised, man she is kinda boring... It was the same with Midnight Sun (Edward's point of view of Twilight) that was an interesting read (although I'm glad it wasn't published and stopped where it did. Since from the point that Midnight Sun stopped, I bet it would have become too similar to Twilight and too repetitive).

Breaking Dawn introduced a lot of new charachters but didn't really explain their back stories at all, and I often had to go back pages to where people were introduced to remember who they were related to and where they were from, I always got Kate, Irina and Tanya mixed up for example, I just thought they were too similar like when Garret and Kate got together, I was thinking "hang on isn't she's already in a relationship? Oh no wait that's someone else." That's why I loved the companion book that came out later which explained a lot of the back stories, a lot of which were really interesting.

It's also a really thick book, but it could be a lot smaller. When there were talks about splitting it into two movies, I thought 'oh yeah that makes sense the book is really long' but now when I think about it with the second part of the movie coming out really soon I don't think a huge amount of stuff is actually going to happen, because while Breaking Dawn is twice the size of Twilight, in my opinion there isn't double the amount of events in it. You can easily read it and just skip over a paragraph and not miss out on anything important.

But like I said I'm a fan of it. You're either a fan or a hater when it comes to these books. I like the movies too, they have a lot more humour in them, but they all had cringy bits. And the books are definitely better as the movies do not explain everything fully, I know people who saw the movies without reading the books and kept on asking me to explain a lot.

I completely forgot about the part where Jacob narrates for a while! This was the thing that put me off the book the most. So much I think that my brain actually wiped it from my memory omg!
I found the 150 pages where was chatting absolutely terrible, I know it was meant to be building up tension but 150 pages of talking about nothing is too painful to cope with!

I agree with having to look back to find out who is who although I looked in the back of the book where it told you all of the different clans and their special powers- don't know if other people got this or if I had a special edition?

[iCandy]

When I first read the first book (Twilight) in 2009, I just couldn't wait to get my hands on the next few, and as they as they all got released, each time, I would get more excited to read the next.

Breaking Dawn was my favorite out of all 4 books, I enjoyed reading it so much, that I read it again and again and again. I love how the suspense just grows throughout each book, and then finally when it comes to the last one, all is revealed, and everything just happens. For example I loved the ending, how it finished with Bella being able to turn off her shield and Edward being able to for the first time read her mind.

I think the characters are written brilliantly, I feel I know them all so well, learning to know their likes and dislikes, what ticks them off and what doesnt, and who they want to become..just everything like that. Stephenie did such a good job coming up with all of them.

As Ekelektra already said, Breaking Dawn did introduce a lot more characters, and I agree with how Stephenie didnt really dwell on them too much - what their backgrounds were, how they knew the Cullens ect - it was more, who they were and what they did kinda thing.

Breaking Dawn had a lot of extra..I dont know if baggage would be the right word for it, but yes, some of the time I felt Stephenie was going on about something that I really didnt see a point in her going all out to explain, for example, the whole thing with Bella having to go to visit a friend of Jaspers and prepare passports..ect, I mean..I dont believe that was actually necessary, it would've been enough knowing that Renesmee was going to be staying with Jacob, so in my opinion she went a little too far with that.

But on the whole, I do love the book, the whole trilogy even. It ended on a high, and I'm really happy I read them!

[LiquidLuck.]

To be honest, I never read the books or knew about them until the first movie came out. I remember my friends told me what the story was about and if I wanted to go to the movies with them and it just seemed the lamest movie ever, so I didn't.

But I remember in my 8th, 9th year, just a few months after the first movie came out, my English teacher (that used to make her classes way more fun by watching English movies) decided to let us watch Twilight. I must say it was really nice to watch it and even the guys in my class enjoyed it as we were just giving each student a character that he looked like.

After this, I started paying more interest to the actors that played it, wanting to know other movies they had done and stuff like that. I realized I had seen Panic Room with Kirsten Stewart already, and obviously Harry Potter with Robert Pattinson even though when I first saw Twilight I had NO IDEA it was him!

During the summer, I asked my family to buy my the books, and I remember I read the first one in 2 days, that I wouldn't turn my light off when I was told just so I could be able to keep reading. The second one took me about one week because I just got like ''wtf'' at him leaving and that making her to kill herself so for a few days I rage quit reading (LOL), the third took me about two days as well, and the last one must be have around the same time.

I was then trying to find what else to read during the summer, but lets say, I was an ADDICT so I couldn't get myself to read anything else. That said, what did I do? Read them all again obviously, over and over.

But this is about the fourth movie and book, so lets talk about it. The story was already told above, so I won't repeat that again as I think that everyone reading this thread has an idea about what Breaking Dawn is about.

So to be honest, I think it's the weirdest book. Where can I start to prove what I am saying? The fact that they have sex when he is a vampire, so he has no blood, so if Stephenie Meyer had payed attention to her Science classes, she would no that if you don't have blood, you can't get it up.. Doesn't she has a husband though? She should know that, right...?

Well another prove is the fact that she has A KID(!) with him and the kid grows faster than normal? If he is a vampire that just doesn't get older and she is a human, shouldn't she have both of those qualities and instead grow extremely slowly? Like be in the uterus for 3 years? But I guess that wouldn't help the story though..

And main fact about how creepy this book is: Jacob falls in love with a baby?!?!?!?!?!?!?! YES! When I read this my reaction was literally ''wtf pedo?!''! And plus, Bella is okay with it! Can someone explain how the hell she is okay with it?! Having a guy making out with your mother (twice) and wanting to be with her for the rest of their lives mustn't be the greatest thing to learn about your boyfriend, I'm sure of that! But she is a baby/kid, so really the person that should have stopped it was Bella, or Edward because he is old enough to realize that is just wrong. Oh wait, he is a 108 years old virgin, forgot about that, and she was 17 so he is basically a pedophile as well... -.-

So yes, I was an addict, a total fan, whatever you want to call it. But now I'm over it. Yes I'm going to the movies when it comes out (16th?) and I'm going to enjoy watching it and I'll love it as much as I did when I was reading the books, but I've grown up these three years after reading the books and it made me realize how much bull **** this story is and how poorly written as well.

Also, it was really confusing when way too many character that just appeared out of nowhere and I honestly couldn't keep up with knowing by heart all their names so I had no idea who was who anymore and had to check in those last pages of the book where they explained who was in which clan every 5mins. If she actually knew how to write she knew not to do that and to introduce them slowly in the other books as well or just give the general idea of their powers and not so many details about them, maybe not even names so we just knew they were there but we didn't care who they were mating with!

Also another thing to make this hole idea more creepy: she had the idea from this story from a dream?? She dreams with pale sparkling guys, half naked 17 year old boys and a girl that isn't strong enough to live like a normal person after she got dumped? It has happened to everyone darling, and you just keep LIVING! (Doesn't include the depressing coma!)



Harry Potter forever though. You can't unaddict yourself from it, not even by growing up and having more life experience because that will just make you appreciate the story even more and keep you hanging on to that tiny bit of hope that magic needs to exist.

---------- Post added 06-11-2012 at 07:37 PM ----------

I agree with having to look back to find out who is who although I looked in the back of the book where it told you all of the different clans and their special powers- don't know if other people got this or if I had a special edition?

It was in the last pages of every book, pretty sure of that.

[the.games]

Discussion this week has been fantastic so this thread will remain open for a little longer than planned!

Happy Discussing!

[Empired]

And main fact about how creepy this book is: Jacob falls in love with a baby?!?!?!?!?!?!?! YES! When I read this my reaction was literally ''wtf pedo?!''! And plus, Bella is okay with it! Can someone explain how the hell she is okay with it?! Having a guy making out with your mother (twice) and wanting to be with her for the rest of their lives mustn't be the greatest thing to learn about your boyfriend, I'm sure of that! But she is a baby/kid, so really the person that should have stopped it was Bella, or Edward because he is old enough to realize that is just wrong. Oh wait, he is a 108 years old virgin, forgot about that, and she was 17 so he is basically a pedophile as well... -.-

Jacob doesn't have any sexual desires when he looks at Renesmee, he looks at her and loves her like Bella loves her. When a wolf imprints on someone, the idea is that they are then bound together and the wolf will do absolutely anything for the one he imprints on. It doesn't have to include sex, but it usually does in the end!
Imprinting seems ok to me tbh because I think I understand it properly now. Took me ages though and my mum had to explain it a million times.

The thing that confuses me is that imprinting is for life. It's just one of the rules.
So Jacob has imprinted on Bella since the first book but as soon as her baby comes along he packs up his imprint on Bella and does it to her daughter instead? I don't like this at all about Meyer's writing, first she breaks the laws of vampires not being able to have children and then she breaks the law of imprinting??? This is why I prefer watching Doctor Who.

[lawrawrrr]

Sorry to interrupt the discussion but...

Spelling mistakes, grammar mistakes, plot holes; this is one of the worst books ever written.

[LiquidLuck.]

Jacob doesn't have any sexual desires when he looks at Renesmee, he looks at her and loves her like Bella loves her. When a wolf imprints on someone, the idea is that they are then bound together and the wolf will do absolutely anything for the one he imprints on. It doesn't have to include sex, but it usually does in the end!
Imprinting seems ok to me tbh because I think I understand it properly now. Took me ages though and my mum had to explain it a million times.

The thing that confuses me is that imprinting is for life. It's just one of the rules.
So Jacob has imprinted on Bella since the first book but as soon as her baby comes along he packs up his imprint on Bella and does it to her daughter instead? I don't like this at all about Meyer's writing, first she breaks the laws of vampires not being able to have children and then she breaks the law of imprinting??? This is why I prefer watching Doctor Who.

First of all, in the third book, Jacob tells Bella he hasn't imprinted of anyone yet, because you just imprint in one person for the rest of your life. This means he didn't imprint on Bella, he just had strong fellings for her, so she doesn't break any rules of imprinting.

Secondly, I know that Meyer explains through Jacob that when you imprint on someone, you can either be their best friend, brother, or if it comes to it, more than that. But the thing is that it usually gets to be more than that obviously, when you have someone who isn't related to you but has taken care of you always making sure you are okay, you will most likely fall in love with that person. Meyer also explains that when they imprint on someone, it's like ''your whole word turns around that person'', so it's difficult not to have stronger feelings for a person like that since it'd be like the perfect boyfriend. So yes, it gets me a creepy feeling about the fact that he was in love with Bella and even kissed her, and now he will be in love with her daughter.

[Empired]

First of all, in the third book, Jacob tells Bella he hasn't imprinted of anyone yet, because you just imprint in one person for the rest of your life. This means he didn't imprint on Bella, he just had strong fellings for her, so she doesn't break any rules of imprinting.

Secondly, I know that Meyer explains through Jacob that when you imprint on someone, you can either be their best friend, brother, or if it comes to it, more than that. But the thing is that it usually gets to be more than that obviously, when you have someone who isn't related to you but has taken care of you always making sure you are okay, you will most likely fall in love with that person. Meyer also explains that when they imprint on someone, it's like ''your whole word turns around that person'', so it's difficult not to have stronger feelings for a person like that since it'd be like the perfect boyfriend. So yes, it gets me a creepy feeling about the fact that he was in love with Bella and even kissed her, and now he will be in love with her daughter.

I don't remember reading the bit about him not saying he'd not imprinted on anyone!! Only read all the books once each though so you're the expert Thanks!

Ok although no "laws" were broken, I would be very very very scared if I was Renesmee, the man who used to be obsessed with her mother is now obsessing over her instead.. poor little girl

Actually I've just though about the bit that confuses me. Did Meyer ever explain what was going to happen to Renesmee? I know she said that she was starting to grow more slowly but still, she would have been an old woman by the time she was 15 wasn't she?

[LiquidLuck.]

@BamitsElfie!; also I'd like to take what you said about vampires not being able to have children, and it really depends the vampires you're talking about. For example in Vampire Diaries the vampires still have blood going through their vains, even though it's another type of special vampire blood with healing properties and that's why they are still able to have sexual relations. Same thing happens in True Blood where even their tears aren't water but blood.

But in Twilight, Meyer says that they no longer have blood in their body once the transformation in completed. When Bella is pregnant, she says that female vampires can't obviously have children of her own since their bodies can't go through all the changes it takes, for example the augmentation of their belly, etc etc, but that male vampires don't need to go through any of these changes (yes because obviously only women suffer with this crap) so he could still be able to produce sperm and get her pregnant.
And if you don't know this and like I said in my first comment, and speaking in a scientific language, for a male to be able to get his penis hard, they need blood since it's the blood that makes that, also when a man dies I'm pretty their sperm dries or dies as well (and I actually was curious about this and googled it and got this answer: ''Sperm will live for exactly seventeen minutes and thirty one seconds after the man dies, assuming no complications.''). So if Edward Cullen doesn't have blood in his body anymore and if he is dead, then he can't have sperm firstly, and he can't even have proper sexual relations.

[Empired]

@LiquidLuck.; was purely talking about the Twilight saga. Don't think she thought the whole thing through very carefully.