Train Guard Found Guilty Over Girl's Death

[RyRy]

The train guard actually lives bloody close to where I used to live. I've been out in Liverpool on Saturday nights and yeah it's full of drunk people of all ages, both legal and illegal. The fact that this train guard has been jailed though is ridiculous, I mean yes he was the one who controlled the train but she was intoxicated beyond belief really. Where were her friends during all this? Shouldn't they have pulled her back seeing as at least one of them would've heard the guard tell her to move back? I think he assumed shed move back which is really just a tragic accident than anything with criminal negligence.

[efq]

Surely that job doesn't come with complete responsibility of everyones safety anyway?

Firstly, drunk, drugged up or not. You're an idiot to lean against a train, whether it's not departing for the next 20 hours or whenever, you're just a complete prat if you do.

Secondly, like said above, if I was him, I would've assumed someone leaning against a train, would hear and feel before it starts going and would move away from it by instinct.

The yellow line is there for a reason and it is standard rules that you don't attempt to board or get off a train if the doors are closing or the train is moving.

[GommeInc]

According to someone who knows train procedure like that back of their hand, they are completely responsible for the death of the girl - even though she was the instigator and the guard the preventer.

In my opinion, he is partially to blame as it is his job to ensure people do not kill themselves willingly and unwillingly, but she does seem to of been the main problem with this incident, for being drunk and being stupid enough to lean on a train which any sober person wouldn't do. The Courts are ignoring the fact she was drunk, yet it does seem like part of the problem - with her general attitude being the biggest problem (she did willingly drink afterall).

[efq]

I don't see how they can have complete responsibility of everyones safety. If someone is going to jump infront of a train to kill themselves, the train guard can hardly do anything and there is practically no risk assessment needed in that scenario as they shouldn't do anything in that situation, if someone is going to jump, the best they can do is talk to them, but to physically get involved would be ridiculous.

But the trains don't leave that fast and any sober person leaning against a train, would've moved off even if they were dragged a little but then again, any sober person isn't a complete idiot to do such a thing. I feel sorry for her family and RIP to her, but at the end of the day, her actions and consumption of whatever, lead to her death.

As he is on the train, he probably saw she was leaning on it, told her to get off and then he got back on the train to go, assuming a normal human being would've got off.

At the end of the day, it all falls down to the fact she was pissed and drugged up. Had she not have done that, this wouldn't of happened.

[GommeInc]

I don't see how they can have complete responsibility of everyones safety. If someone is going to jump infront of a train to kill themselves, the train guard can hardly do anything and there is practically no risk assessment needed in that scenario as they shouldn't do anything in that situation, if someone is going to jump, the best they can do is talk to them, but to physically get involved would be ridiculous.

But the trains don't leave that fast and any sober person leaning against a train, would've moved off even if they were dragged a little but then again, any sober person isn't a complete idiot to do such a thing. I feel sorry for her family and RIP to her, but at the end of the day, her actions and consumption of whatever, lead to her death.

As he is on the train, he probably saw she was leaning on it, told her to get off and then he got back on the train to go, assuming a normal human being would've got off.

At the end of the day, it all falls down to the fact she was pissed and drugged up. Had she not have done that, this wouldn't of happened.

Completely agreed. It's a bit of scape goating - people don't want to blame the deceased and want to blame someone. If someone was going to kill themselves on purpose, it would show they intend to commit suicide, while in this case it was a tragic accident so he wouldn't get any blame if she ran onto the tracks to die. In a way he is partially liable as it is his job to ensure trains run smoothly and no-one could injure themselves, but she was completely out of her mind and sort of had it coming. It's ridiculous if the mother actually said her daughter is innocent, when she clearly isn't.

[efq]

Completely agreed. It's a bit of scape goating - people don't want to blame the deceased and want to blame someone. If someone was going to kill themselves on purpose, it would show they intend to commit suicide, while in this case it was a tragic accident so he wouldn't get any blame if she ran onto the tracks to die. In a way he is partially liable as it is his job to ensure trains run smoothly and no-one could injure themselves, but she was completely out of her mind and sort of had it coming. It's ridiculous if the mother actually said her daughter is innocent, when she clearly isn't.

Yeah, of course he isn't completely rid of responsibility in this accident, but he definitely does not need locking up and having his life ruined forever after having a typical average job where a silly teenager was at fault.

But yeah I agree with the mother bit, and they must be totally aware of what everyone thinks because all I hear and read about the story is that the mother needs to accept some responsibility, and that the guard shouldn't of even been considered prison, more along the line of a strict warning from his employers, or lose his job.

What the **** is wrong with this country and its judicial system? A fairly innocent man gets prisoned for 5 years after a silly drunk girl gets herself killed, but somebody who rapes or violent attacks somebody barely gets any sentence near that?
The country is completely ****** up in my eyes and I hate it.

[GommeInc]

Yeah, of course he isn't completely rid of responsibility in this accident, but he definitely does not need locking up and having his life ruined forever after having a typical average job where a silly teenager was at fault.

But yeah I agree with the mother bit, and they must be totally aware of what everyone thinks because all I hear and read about the story is that the mother needs to accept some responsibility, and that the guard shouldn't of even been considered prison, more along the line of a strict warning from his employers, or lose his job.

What the **** is wrong with this country and its judicial system? A fairly innocent man gets prisoned for 5 years after a silly drunk girl gets herself killed, but somebody who rapes or violent attacks somebody barely gets any sentence near that?
The country is completely ****** up in my eyes and I hate it.

The problem lies with the whole health and safety/lack of personal responsibility laws. We live in a blame culture these days It's a sad moment for the judicial system when cases like this arise and the punishment does not fit the crime. It's a a shame as quite a lot of cases from our legal system have been reasonably fair, minus the odd punishment that may seem too lenient - but that's a problem with Government.

[Chippiewill]

There really is almost no point to the justice system without intent, I hardly suspect the poor guy is going to make the same mistake again, so I fail to see the purpose of sentencing him to anything - except maybe a counsellor since he's probably feeling incredibly guilty about the death already.

[efq]

There really is almost no point to the justice system without intent, I hardly suspect the poor guy is going to make the same mistake again, so I fail to see the purpose of sentencing him to anything - except maybe a counsellor since he's probably feeling incredibly guilty about the death already.

Yeah, I feel more sorry for the guy than for the mother and family of the girl that died.

[Accipiter]

Sounds like the mother is just finding someone else to blame after showing negligence to her childs lifestyle

Yes mum, its your fault that you let your 16 year old daughter go out and take drugs. Not the train drivers.