US School Shooting

[Lee]

Shocking news, feeling terrible for the families involved! I think the topic of US Gun Laws is highly relevant in this thread however many Americans disagree with changes to the gun laws because of traditions dating back to the "founding founders of America..."

[Niall!]

It's been confirmed that it was Ryan Lanzas brother Adam, not Ryan as initially reported. Ryan apparently has nothing to do with the shootings.

Well done for the inept monkeys who work on the news. You've probably ruined Ryans life further than it already has been with the death of his entire family. I hope he sues the *******s for defamation of character after he's mourned properly.

[Chippiewill]

I hope he sues the *******s for defamation of character after he's mourned properly.

I fail to see how it's defamation, anyone who encounters him would not assume him to be the killer unless they believed in resurrection.

[Martin]

Omg what a horrible story There are some sick *******s in this world

RIP to them all

[Mikey]

Horrible and devastating. RIP to all the victims.

[Niall!]

I fail to see how it's defamation, anyone who encounters him would not assume him to be the killer unless they believed in resurrection.

Defamation—also called calumny, vilification, traducement, slander (for transitory statements), and libel (for written, broadcast, or otherwise published words)—is the communication of a statement that makes a claim, expressly stated or implied to be factual, that may give an individual, business, product, group, government, religion, or nation a negative or inferior image.

There you go. I know, wiki etc but it's sourced properly on there.

Also, you say that but have you seen the idiots on twitter constantly spamming any Ryan Lanza they can find? People are idiots.

[GommeInc]

You really want to turn a thread about the death of 27 primary school children into an argument about american gun laws? And doing it in a sarcastic way no less?

Far be it for me to take the moral high ground, but just no.

Why not? Most threads tend to go the way of discussing preventative measures or problems within the context of the event. Would you rather it just be "RIP " and "Poor sods" everywhere? Because threads like that fit the criteria of being hidden away in that sub-forum in Discuss Anything. Talking about ways in which to prevent circumstances like is not immoral, and it's certainly not immoral to make a reasonably accurate statement on the mindset of the citizens of the country. So you may take the moral high ground, but it's no higher than what the rest are standing on.

A sad event none-the-less, but it's to be expected in America these days. I find these events really unsurprising given how many of these random acts of blood shedding there have been this year. So close to Christmas is horrible, it's ruined it for so many people.

I fail to see how it's defamation, anyone who encounters him would not assume him to be the killer unless they believed in resurrection.

It wouldn't of been deemed defamation 10 years ago, but unfortunately social media like Facebook and Twitter means information is dispersed shockingly quick that idiots will believe unverified "live" information immediately as they see it on TV and start getting their pitch forks ready. It's a form of slander per se though, because it's instantly damaging and therefore comes under some sort of defamation of character.

[Futz]

I don't feel too bad for Ryan Lanza as far as CNN & Fox jumping to the conclusion it was him, he'll be able to sue the networks and life will be a little easier to cope with, feel bad for everything else though

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Ban fully automatic rifles, you'd struggle to kill 18 children and 9 adults in that situation.

What guns did he have? I thought he was using 2 9mm's

[JerseySafety]

Hopefully they change the gun laws now. There has been WAY too many shootings. RIP to all those who passed as well as their families, so sad.

[-:Undertaker:-]

RIP to all those who have been killed, let's hope this coward faces the noose.

I want to know how many more massacres and shootings it'll take before the government realizes the people can't be trusted with the right to bear arms, nor should we. It doesn't promote self-defense, only inspires violence, and it's being taken out on innocent people again and again. Several school shootings and the Aurora theatre shooting which I myself nearly went to...

You know the rates of HIV amongst homosexuals is around 10% in cities such as London? should homosexuality be banned? are you aware of the deaths resulting from high salt intake? perhaps we should ban salt or at least regulate it. What about knives? surely people cannot be trusted with them? maybe we should introduce knife carrying classes for all adults and issue licenses.

I only said it because I remember back to the batman shooting where people said they should have been allowed guns inside the cinema so they could have shot the guy before he killed too many people

with that stupid mentality I wouldn't be surprised if they wanted to arm their children aswell

The backwards mentality is that people such as yourself call for guns to be banned when, had the public been armed in that situation, many lives would have been saved. The area where the Batman shooting took place had..... you guessed it, strict gun controls which you advocate - yet surprisingly a piece of paper didn't stop a madman from murdering people did it?

The discussion isn't anything to do with children being armed, so please do not try and make your already weak argument into a chunkier one by making up points that no sensible person in favour of gun rights has raised or suggested. If you want to debate this topic sensibly, then respond to actual points rather than making them up as you go along.

If you want an example of a country which has this right, Israel is apparently that country. In Israel, the teachers are armed and carry weapons so that when a situation does arise such as this - they can take action rather than waiting for the state police to arrive after which many people are dead. I have read that in Israel as a result of this policy, only one school has suffered from a gun massacre. There's the solution.

But because it doesn't fit into the "omgz gunz r bad cos lyke ya can shoot ppl" I expect this logical argument to be dismissed.

I almost went to that movie showing, at the exact theatre. I disagree; rather than letting everyone carry weapons to protect themselves, it should be that no one has a weapon to begin with, therefore none can be used against one another wrongly. There is no justification for killing a person.

Ah yes, because a piece of paper (a law) will stop bad guys from murdering innocent people.

Next up; how to legislate and solve war in five minutes with a new world peace law.

Its sad to think that in the past 20/30 years in the UK we've had the same amount of major shootings as America has in 5 months (I think)
if something doesn't get done about the 'right to bare arms' I will be really surprised
RIP

Maybe that has something to do with the fact that the United States has population of around 250m to 350m while the United Kingdom has a population of 60m odd.