East London subjects abused by Muslim gang shouting "bloody ***"

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East London subjects abused by Muslim gang shouting "bloody ***"

A growing number of East London citizens are being harassed by a (likely very small) group of religious fanatics calling themselves ‘The Muslim Patrol’.

The men video themselves confronting people on the streets and ask them to throw away alcohol or tell women to cover up. In one video (below) they harass and abuse a man by calling him a “bloody ***” and tell him to leave from what they say is a ‘Muslim area’.

The disgusting tactics are straight out of the play-book of the now banned group al-Muhajiroun, who also occasionally surface as ‘Muslims Against Crusaders’ and have been known to burn poppies on Remembrance Day, hold pickets against British soldiers returning from abroad and demonstrate in front of the US embassy.

The group is also shunned from almost all British Mosques.

East London Mosque released a statement last week condemning the men:

Individuals claiming to be self-styled ‘Muslim patrols’ have been harassing members of the public on the streets of east London late at night, including outside our mosque after it has closed. They have anonymously uploaded their exploits to the internet.

These actions are utterly unacceptable and clearly designed to stoke tensions and sow discord. We wholly condemn them. The East London Mosque is committed to building co-operation and harmony between all communities in this borough. The actions of this tiny minority have no place in our faith nor on our streets.

The Mosque says they’ve also got in touch with the police to report incidents.

For many activists the videos are reminiscent of a campaign last year by a group of men (very likely the same) who kept putting up homophobic stickers around East London. That campaign came to an abrupt end when 18 year old youth was arrested and found guilty.

Video of the abuse can be found on the original article by clicking the link above.

Sorry for the essay, but I think it's rather a important point to pick up on for anybody who is interested.

I'm not the biggest supporter of some parts of the gay lobby but being an anglo-saxon and in touch with British culture, I know not to shout or abuse people in the street or even in a debate - that's just not what is done here in the west. We can have disagreements, but we broadly get along because we share the same values embedded in our consitition (which it has to be said, is based on Christianity).

Here we have a case of multiculturalism (no, before anybody says it that is not multiracialism) in action - the concept that the culture of Saudi Arabia, Iran, Egypt or Somalia is somehow equal to our British culture and that for some bizzare reason we should 'celebrate' that we live amongst this wonderful 'diversity'. I personally see nothing to celebrate about the types of cultures these men and their families come from, cultures which have no respect for the individual or personal liberty.... and I see no reason why I or anybody else should bow down to them and pretend that they're equal when they are not.

So this is where mass immigration has got us, and don't think these are isolated cases - Muslims at large as shown by surveys carried out have very very strict views on homosexuality .. because that's just in their culture, that's how it is.

Enoch Powell warned of this in his speech all those years ago, it's been going on for years and it's only going to get worse if we don't start to limit immigration to sensible numbers and end the doctrine of multiculturalism which prevents integration from taking place. If we start to get large areas of this country falling under certain cultures then we're going to see Ghettoisation not only threaten the likes of gay people living there, but you'll start to see political instability. The culture of this country should be that of Great Britain, not Saudi Arabia - and we shouldn't make any accomodation for it.

For a country to exist, it needs a broadly similar culture under the same legal and political system. If one is to be rational for example, one would realise that the United Kingdom and Pakistan or China couldn't exist in the same political and legal system because we're so culturally different. Indeed, it's one of the reasons why a European superstate will eventually come crashing to the ground just as Yugoslavia and countless other states have.

Anybody want to call me a 'wascist', 'Little Englander' or 'intolerant' for saying all of this? or am I just saying it how it is?

Thoughts? what do you think of this and the bigger picture of multiculturalism? do you agree with me that whilst multiracialism is seemingly fine, multiculturalism is an absurd concept? or do you like to see areas of this country being ghettoised?

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So because it's a group of Muslims saying homophobic abuse, it makes the news? I'm not entirely sure what this article is meant to represent really, it's clear that Muslims are against homosexuality (as are Christians), and so be it, people are entitled to their beliefs, but obviously shouting at people in the street isn't acceptable.

Yes, if the population of Muslims is increasing, that could lead into an increase in homophobic abuse - but by that argument, the decrease in Christians would lead to a decrease in homophobic abuse. Of course in an ideal world, everyone should just accept each other as how they are.

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So because it's a group of Muslims saying homophobic abuse, it makes the news? I'm not entirely sure what this article is meant to represent really, it's clear that Muslims are against homosexuality (as are Christians), and so be it, people are entitled to their beliefs, but obviously shouting at people in the street isn't acceptable.

Yes, if the population of Muslims is increasing, that could lead into an increase in homophobic abuse - but by that argument, the decrease in Christians would lead to a decrease in homophobic abuse. Of course in an ideal world, everyone should just accept each other as how they are.

Oh if you think the mainstream Christian view of homosexuality is the same as the Islamic mainstream view then you're living on a different planet my friend. To even compare the two shows just the ridiculous lengths those who support multiculturalism will go through to sweep this under the carpet and try and paint it as an isolated incident.

It's rather funny watching sometimes really, because the same people are usually the most ardent supporters of the gay lobby and accuse opponents of gay marriage for example as bigots and homophobes - so suddenly they find two polarised and conflicting views of the people they 'represent' and they don't know what to do, so try and play it safe with a comment like you just have posted.

[Kardan]

Oh if you think the mainstream Christian view of homosexuality is the same as the Islamic mainstream view then you're living on a different planet my friend.

I wouldn't claim to know the specific details, but obviously it is different The fact is that this type of abuse isn't uncommon, I've been in and around gay bars and clubs and heard this abuse quite a lot. I personally feel that during my time in college there was more homophobic abuse than racism. I just don't see why because a group of muslims that have said it (which do not represent the muslim race as a whole - which is a very important point), that the media then somehow merge it into their arguments on immigration.

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I wouldn't claim to know the specific details, but obviously it is different The fact is that this type of abuse isn't uncommon, I've been in and around gay bars and clubs and heard this abuse quite a lot. I personally feel that during my time in college there was more homophobic abuse than racism. I just don't see why because a group of muslims that have said it (which do not represent the muslim race as a whole - which is a very important point)

Muslims and Islam aren't a race, I really hope for your sake that wasn't a lapse in thought.

that the media then somehow merge it into their arguments on immigration.

Because we have an open door policy on immigration, and that is where these different cultures are coming from. Pretty simple really isn't it.

[Kardan]

Muslims and Islam aren't a race, I really hope for your sake that wasn't a lapse in thought.



Because we have an open door policy on immigration, and that is where these different cultures are coming from. Pretty simple really isn't it.

Don't worry I'm having a brain fade at the moment with all my revision (I put 'our' instead of 'are' in my first post as well, but managed to spot that one ). Just re-read that as 'do not represent muslims as a whole'.

Immigration may imply more discrimination but more discrimination does not necessarily imply immigration.

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Don't worry I'm having a brain fade at the moment with all my revision (I put 'our' instead of 'are' in my first post as well, but managed to spot that one ). Just re-read that as 'do not represent muslims as a whole'.

Immigration may imply more discrimination but more discrimination does not necessarily imply immigration.

We know in this case though that it is the case, as Islamic immigration has been a relatively new wave from around 2000 onwards. The fact we are allowing large groups of people with a frankly primative culture to move to our country on such a scale is storing up enormous trouble and division.

It's madness and it needs to stop - the vast majority of Britons just want sensible controlled immigration and our politicians to realise & implement that.

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We know in this case though that it is the case, as Islamic immigration has been a relatively new wave from around 2000 onwards. The fact we are allowing large groups of people with a frankly primative culture to move to our country on such a scale is storing up enormous trouble and division.

It's madness and it needs to stop - the vast majority of Britons just want sensible controlled immigration and our politicians to realise & implement that.

Controlled immigration yes, I agree, but saying 'No, we've got too many Muslims' isn't the way for that, I'm sure you know this I don't understand the trouble comment though, why do people see Muslims as trouble? What if I, a white British male, decide to convert to Islam? Am I now within the group that's causing trouble and divide? I'm sure many people see Roman Catholics/Protestants as trouble

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Controlled immigration yes, I agree, but saying 'No, we've got too many Muslims' isn't the way for that, I'm sure you know this I don't understand the trouble comment though, why do people see Muslims as trouble? What if I, a white British male, decide to convert to Islam? Am I now within the group that's causing trouble and divide? I'm sure many people see Roman Catholics/Protestants as trouble

I don't believe anybody has made the comment that "we've got too many muslims" - I simply make the rational case that we have too many people of all sorts of cultures coming into this country at a rate and scale where integration is becoming impossible to achieve.

If i'm Islamic and hold Saudi Arabian values and move into a British area which is 99% British, given time i'll be forced to integrate into British culture to get along as will my children. If i'm the same person and I find an area in Britain that's 40% Saudi Arabian populated, then i'll naturally move there as I can then retain my own (in my view backwards) cultural values. That's just the way it is.

And that's the problem, limit immigration in terms of numbers and the problem will largely solve itself.

[Kardan]

I don't believe anybody has made the comment that "we've got too many muslims" - I simply make the rational case that we have too many people of all sorts of cultures coming into this country at a rate and scale where integration is becoming impossible to achieve.

If i'm Islamic and hold Saudi Arabian values and move into a British area which is 99% British, given time i'll be forced to integrate into British culture to get along as will my children. If i'm the same person and I find an area in Britain that's 40% Saudi Arabian populated, then i'll naturally move there as I can then retain my own (in my view backwards) cultural values. That's just the way it is.

And that's the problem, limit immigration in terms of numbers and the problem will largely solve itself.

It would certainly help the problem yes, but people do have their right to their own views, no matter how wrong we might think they are (For example, our individual views on gun politics )

And in the large aspect of racism, homophobic abuse etc. I like to think that as the generations go on and on, these things are dying out and people are becoming more accepting to different lifestyles and cultures. Sadly though, it will never be eliminated, so even if the country had absolutely no immigration, they'd still be issues.

I'd also imagine that if the UK stopped immigration completely (in the crazy scenario that is), I imagine people would still complain about ethnic groups.