Despite the fanfare, David Cameron still isn't doing anything on immigration

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Despite much fanfare, David Cameron still isn't doing anything on immigration

David Cameron presenting his immigration speech this morning. Photo: PA.

Well, it was right not to expect much. The full text of David Cameron’s speech on immigration is here but it can be summarised in one sentence: ‘mass migration has brought some good things, but it has also brought problems so here is some tinkering we propose.’

There are so many problems when our politicians speak on this subject. Not least is that they expect to be congratulated for saying the utterly obvious. For instance, most British people worked out a long time ago that those of us who already live here ought to have priority in housing over people who have just arrived. We also worked out some time back that an NHS which provides for the whole world is unsustainable and that if people haven’t paid into the system then the system shouldn’t pay out.

Then there is the gap between rhetoric and reality. As is par for the course, the Tory press (presumably briefed by Conservative party employees) advance-billed this as a ‘major’ speech with ‘tough’ rhetoric etc etc. In fact what Cameron turns out to be proposing – while perfectly fine in its unambitious way – will only affect a small number of people. And in that gap lies another problem. For when the electorate are promised ‘tough talk’ they think they are going to hear about illegals being sent back by the plane-load. But of course Cameron doesn’t dare to propose any such thing. What the PM’s speech showed is that the Conservative party, like the other mainstream parties, still cannot bring itself to address matters which even the left of the political spectrum outside Parliament has been mulling on for some time now.

Take, for instance, David Goodhart’s forthcoming book on Britain and immigration ‘The British Dream’ (which the Mail has serialised over recent days). Goodhart – who comes from the left of the political spectrum – addresses those questions that any honest government must address but which no European government will even touch at the moment. For instance, how long should political asylum be for? If someone flees a dictator and that dictator subsequently falls, shouldn’t that be the end of their period of asylum? Shouldn’t they be encouraged to return to help rebuild their country?

The ‘debate’ on immigration has gone on quite long enough. The British people have consistently stated their opposition to mass immigration and the parties have responded by talking tough while doing little or nothing in the hope of tricking the voters into voting for them despite the record. At some point the ‘national debate’ has to stop and the national ‘actually doing something’ has to start. Despite the fanfare, today was not that day.

The vast majority of people in this country just want sensible immigration controls, and yet the three main parties refuse point-blank to implement them. It's not BNPesque to want sensible immigration policies, like the Ozzies/New Zealand/America and almost every other country has - it's common sense. If you have a welfare state, a healthcare service, a monoculture and housing services then you need some form of control over immigration. I don't see why it's been painted to be so controversial to say this.

Of course, Cameron is only doing this for one reason (including Clegg who the other day dropped the Liberal Democrat policy of having an amnesty for the million+ illegal immigrants in this country): UKIP. The difference is though, this policy is simply rhetoric - they don't want to do it because of the cheap labor for big corporations, and they can't do anything anyway as EU law a) won't allow us to close the borders to EU nationals & b) we're required to treat EU nationals equally as British subjects.

I don't live in an area with lot's of immigration, and i'm very thankful for it. But it's one of my core concerns because I feel dreadfully sorry for the poorest in our society who live in areas which have essentially been turned into a foreign country - not to mention the fact that young, unskilled British youths now can't find labor jobs because they're being taken by immigrants.

The drawbridge shouldn't be closed, but we need some form of control.

Thoughts?

[Adam]

When will any PM grow some balls and tell them all to **** off?

[AgnesIO]

When will any PM grow some balls and tell them all to **** off?

I get not wanting over-immigrations - but really?

Did you know that as of 2009, EU migrants paid 37% MORE in tax etc than they took back in welfare payments? Or that when the EU faced expansion in 2004, the UK was suffering from a LACK of labour - meaning that they actually benefited the UK economy, not hurt it?

I agree with not have over-immigration (ie with you, Dan). However, I cannot support someone who wants them "all to **** off" - an uneducated view to say the least.

[Adam]

I get not wanting over-immigrations - but really?

Did you know that as of 2009, EU migrants paid 37% MORE in tax etc than they took back in welfare payments? Or that when the EU faced expansion in 2004, the UK was suffering from a LACK of labour - meaning that they actually benefited the UK economy, not hurt it?

I agree with not have over-immigration (ie with you, Dan). However, I cannot support someone who wants them "all to **** off" - an uneducated view to say the least.

It's not an uneducated view at all, I hold the same view to useless, waste of space inhabitants of this country. If DO NOT contribute to society, society should not contribute to you.

That is why I believe all people on job seekers or equivalent should be made to earn their money through voluntary work/community service-esque activites that a) keep them from causing trouble (judgmental, yeah) b) make something useful out of someone useless.

This country is run by idiots. It will always be run by idiots because no politician has the balls to stand up to Merkel and her new-Germany regime and tell her to **** off.

[AgnesIO]

It's not an uneducated view at all, I hold the same view to useless, waste of space inhabitants of this country. If DO NOT contribute to society, society should not contribute to you.

That is why I believe all people on job seekers or equivalent should be made to earn their money through voluntary work/community service-esque activites that a) keep them from causing trouble (judgmental, yeah) b) make something useful out of someone useless.

This country is run by idiots. It will always be run by idiots because no politician has the balls to stand up to Merkel and her new-Germany regime and tell her to **** off.

Ah I see the correlation. Immigrants and scroungers.

Like pairing cats and dogs together branding them the same animal.

I couldn't agree more with your attitude towards job seekers - but the two are simply not relevant to each other.

[Adam]

Ah I see the correlation. Immigrants and scroungers.

Like pairing cats and dogs together branding them the same animal.

I couldn't agree more with your attitude towards job seekers - but the two are simply not relevant to each other.

Apart from the fact that I feel less enraged about English people scrounging.

Anyway. My main concern is that we cannot afford the services we provide now to our people so why let more people into a country that cannot provide for its people?

[AgnesIO]

Apart from the fact that I feel less enraged about English people scrounging.

Anyway. My main concern is that we cannot afford the services we provide now to our people so why let more people into a country that cannot provide for its people?

Did you know that as of 2009, EU migrants paid 37% MORE in tax etc than they took back in welfare payments?

I feel no less enraged if an English person is scrounging than if someone else is. Either way my family are paying for it.

[Adam]

That figure is irrelevant though.

It's like opening a coffee shop where homeless people can get coffee's for free (you know, to help) and having people who aren't homeless coming and claiming said coffees.

[AgnesIO]

That figure is irrelevant though.

It's like opening a coffee shop where homeless people can get coffee's for free (you know, to help) and having people who aren't homeless coming and claiming said coffees.

It isn't irrelevant. It simply shows that "tell them to all **** off" is pointless, as overall EU migrants contribute more than they take.

[Adam]

Contribute is a sketchy term. Those who contribute, still take out - like me and you.

We do not have nor can afford the infrastructure to cater migrants at this time. For all the contributing migrants, you get those who do not.

I'm not questioning your facts but do you have the article where that figure is from? Sounds like it could be an interesting read. I'm not narrow minded, I understand that plenty of migrants contribute to the economy and help this country grow. I'm all for migration, if it's monitored. But it's not. So close the door.

And the reason why it's not monitored? Merkel.