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[Calvin]

I vote @Calvin; to work on v6

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nope

[scottish]

None are complete, their completion depends on other stuff being completed, it's a bit of a chicken and egg situation so stuff will only be *finished* when V7 is finished. I can for certain say I'm 50% done, likely far beyond that.

There's certainly no doubting myself what I think I need to do to finish V7. However the HxL panel took a lot longer than expected because I didn't realise how much there was to the panel and I didn't get half the feature requests until I'd already made a start on it.

Then obviously if you were keeping the community up to date you'd add that additional features were requested which made it a larger task than anticipated

I have deadlines in my head and I have given Skynus/Matt deadlines in the past. Unfortunately stuff comes up that delays me.. a lot, if I miss one of my general deadlines (e.g. hxl will be done by the end of easter) then it will be missed by 6 weeks almost certainly even if only 5% needs doing.

Then give the deadlines to the users as well, if exams or something comes up then it's understandable that you're going to miss the deadline but giving rough deadlines and most of them being about right and the odd delayed beats absolutely nothing

Both Matt and the relevant department manager are kept constantly apprised of the progress made as it happens. There are good reasons not to make this public.

What are those reasons?

Due to the past with this project then I'd of thought management would be trying to re-assure the users rather than keep them in the dark

[Chippiewill]

What are those reasons?

People are idiots and if they saw what V7 looked like at the moment they'd think we could launch inside of two weeks which I don't think is currently likely.

[scottish]

No-one else needs to see it?

What i'd like is a stickied thread or something which you could post in and would allow;

Main post:
- What you've done
- What you've still to do
- Completeness % (Approx)
- Rough deadlines for each part you're to do
- Rough deadline for system to go live

Then weekly posts in the thread stating:
- What you done that week
- What you want to do by this time next week
- If something didn't go to plan, why?
- If new features etc were requested then state that

[beth]

I'm really interested to hear what ideas were tossed around by you guys for HxL in v7.

And to be honest. HxL.com has been just thrown aside purely because v7 is suppose to be coming up. We need the merge to be honest and soon. That website is so outdated and I am not a coder so I can't exactly go and make a whole new layout for it.

will definitely give you a pm or something on what i can remember, i had hoped i still had the PM's but musta deleted them cause i lost management perms and needed pm space haha.

Well it's either a case of fix v6 and delay v7 or finish v7. Whilst I really don't care about the end result, neither I or any of the other site coders have the patience to do the former.

perhaps you should find the patience if v7 really is looking far off.

@beth;, @Kardan; @Marketing; this is going back a few pages but are you mainly talking about the news reports on the front page currently? I'm only bringing this up as they're all mine, but I do agree, recently I've been bolding too much sometimes it might be just because some of it doesn't seem that important and I think I need to bold at least one thing per article - I'm sure this is simple to work on.

it just seems at times, to me, that bolded words are being used in the place of literary devices and good writing. it's like the easy option.

Can there be an actual response to what's clearly a valid point rather than "cba" considering there are things that could be changed extremely quickly to attempt improvements and if V7 is as far away as it seems then it's certainly worth setting it back one more day to sort out some things that need urgent attention. Quite frankly it makes no sense whatsoever to lump all updates into one new version if it's going to take that long, and I for one would far rather see V6.352786 and have things doing well than sit around hoping that a new skin will fix all our problems

completely agree with your final line. if v7 is looking so far off start trying to implement new things on v6 at least.

It was very little coding. He started making it when he spoke to Jess for HabboxLive merge ideas but Jess left/fired and then David wasn't round much longer after that. None of it would have been use today in terms of a whole new site/whatever else.

jess put a lot of work and the initial merge screenshots and plans looked excellent.

Should use a project management software, Work out who is doing what, When etc. Kierans not always busy, He probably just uses to work for money or a site that is thankful, Habbox in the past has never been thankful and to this day is barely thankful. I mean im not sure how long HotelUser took doing v6, But im sure it wasn't a 5 minute job and even if it was, He was never rightfully thanked, yes it wasnt the best code. But its worth a good few hundred pound even in the state its in.

What I find funny is, Habbox.com was created in 2011, It barely renders in FireFox and is completely useless (to people like me it doesn't even load)
HabboRemix made in 2009? Maybe way earlier, Still works...

agree with this post. i don't know the organisation of the department but it would be good to see the whole team utilised and doing stuff. also v6 is an elephant. barely loads.

I remember he showed me one he was working on when I was CDM/Coder and it looked really good. No idea what happened to it though.

definitely agree was shown the stuff via jess and it all looked pretty good. i never thought it was just a v6 upgrade.

Well, I know for a fact that the content department have used that And from what other people have posted, the login system and HxL (maybe?)

hxl undoubtedly need v7 or an updated v6! they need a revive and a refresh.

Oh I was talking about the idea that department managers are lazy and incompetent because they just hide behind the 'v7 needs doing' excuse argument which I think is a little harsh and unfair. The login system don't really count for that then seen as it's not a department (although that actually is the one worthwhile thing to fix about v6, I dread to think how many users we've lost because they can't register and the registration was a complex and OTT set-up anyway). Whenever people mention how to improve HxL, they're normally based on community solutions so they've never really needed to use it. Content, I don't count because it was an order from on-high to work on v7 pages because general management thought it was imminent and the order was removed when it turned out that wasn't going to be the case after all. So again the only department that has consistently said 'v7 needs doing' is rare values and that genuinely is because they need v7 doing and not as an excuse to put their feet up.

not sure about other departments but hxl need this! you can fix as many community issues as you like but they are in limbo. i truly think that's what brought the department down last year the DJs were told we were merging they got excited spoke about it on air, jess and I designed with David and then nothing...

No-one else needs to see it?

What i'd like is a stickied thread or something which you could post in and would allow;

Main post:
- What you've done
- What you've still to do
- Completeness % (Approx)
- Rough deadlines for each part you're to do
- Rough deadline for system to go live

Then weekly posts in the thread stating:
- What you done that week
- What you want to do by this time next week
- If something didn't go to plan, why?
- If new features etc were requested then state that

think this is a brilliant idea.

[Foregetfuhl]

Completely agree with Beth, all the DJs ask about certain features and things and what not, not to mention an updated hxl.com and I have to use the old excuse that we have to wait for v7 to implement those features. I know full well what is coming for the hxl staff will be amazing but truly what we have at the moment is so out of date it really has got us stuck no matter how much community spirit we drive in. I know we have all these great ideas planned but if we don't look particularly nice like other sites do from the front end it's not going to make people want to stay.

[Brice]

habox is d nxt habohut

[beth]

Completely agree with Beth, all the DJs ask about certain features and things and what not, not to mention an updated hxl.com and I have to use the old excuse that we have to wait for v7 to implement those features. I know full well what is coming for the hxl staff will be amazing but truly what we have at the moment is so out of date it really has got us stuck no matter how much community spirit we drive in. I know we have all these great ideas planned but if we don't look particularly nice like other sites do from the front end it's not going to make people want to stay.

you are a good manager (can tell this because i know for a fact when hxl lost Scott, jess, myself and grig and Logan ran it into the ground a bit I honestly thought that would be the end and you're still hanging in!!) and it isn't fair that you're backed into this corner. jess felt the same last year and that was when we thought the merge would happen within weeks...

DJs arent gonna work for hxl if they don't see it as a good opportunity and at the moment it looks tired. the website is awful. and you won't get new listeners unless you get those quality new DJs

[Mr-Trainor]

Just because it's not done isn't because they're using the 'v7 needs doing' argument, it might just be that they disagree with it.

The 'v7 needs doing' argument has only ever been used by the rare values department because their structural changes have always relied on coding. The changes that don't they work on as best they can under the circumstances. It's been implied in this thread that department managers are using it as an excuse but they're just as tired of waiting as everyone else, even more so seen as they know how to fix things if only the wheels went faster but they also have to recognise that site coding is a huge skill and volunteers are few and far between so we make the most of what we've got and carry on as best as we can.

That doesn't really explain why we're still waiting for even minor changes from ~3 years ago or whenever it was that me and Dan first saw v6, e.g. decimal values.

[Stephen]

recent low activity is actually caused by my irl and online death

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