Transgender woman wants to fight in women's MMA

[Inseriousity.]

I'm assuming it was natural and not drug-enhanced. If so, no-one would suggest that she should be banned from female sports and compete with the men. The same should apply in this situation too then.

[mrwoooooooo]

I'm assuming it was natural and not drug-enhanced. If so, no-one would suggest that she should be banned from female sports and compete with the men. The same should apply in this situation too then.

I disagree. The runner's was natural whereas I would class a sex change op to be unnatural, so she would have an unnatural advantage

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[Kyle]

I disagree. The runner's was natural whereas I would class a sex change op to be unnatural, so she would have an unnatural advantage

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But the natural advantage she might have had has been suppressed/replaced :S

[Adam]

But the natural advantage she might have had has been suppressed/replaced :S

Has 'she' had muscle transplants?

[Kardan]

But the natural advantage she might have had has been suppressed/replaced :S

This is a very tricky subject, and I can't really decide. If she is legally female, then she should be able to take part in female competitions, and whilst I agree with you that her natural advantage has been suppressed/replaced, there will be things about her that will give her an advantage, as mentioned before, hand size. Whether or not that is significant enough for it to be deemed 'unfair' who knows. I would probably say let her compete, but I can see why people would be angry/upset.

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Has 'she' had muscle transplants?

And you really need to stop with the whole quotation marks around she... She is legally a female.

[Adam]

This is a very tricky subject, and I can't really decide. If she is legally female, then she should be able to take part in female competitions, and whilst I agree with you that her natural advantage has been suppressed/replaced, there will be things about her that will give her an advantage, as mentioned before, hand size. Whether or not that is significant enough for it to be deemed 'unfair' who knows. I would probably say let her compete, but I can see why people would be angry/upset.

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And you really need to stop with the whole quotation marks around she... She is legally a female.

If you're born with a penis you are a man. Simple concept.

[Aiden]

She should be allowed to fight, rights have changed, and if she can do somethings like a women, she should get full rights. Why shouldn't she? It's like saying a man who works out more shouldn't get to fight because he's stronger :L

[Adam]

BTW: giving out negative reputation in a debate thread? Way to go. I have my opinions like you have yours. That's why it's a debate. Just because you don't agree doesn't make that opinion wrong.

[-:Undertaker:-]

Somebody who undergoes a 'sex change' operation isn't different afterwards apart from some comestic changes - a man who 'changes' to a woman will always have male bone structure, male hands, a male brain, male strength (generally) and so on. I am so fed up of having to pretend that everything is 'right' just because it might upset some people if I say otherwise - somebody born as a male will always be a male, period.

I feel sorry for people with such a condition and question whether allowing them to fulfil their desires is actually the best method of solving a problem - either way, its not my decision .... but i'm not going to sit here and pretend that a man who has had his bits cut off is as female as my mother. Sorry, just can't do it - reality turned upside down.

So no, 'she' shouldn't be allowed to compete because 'she' isn't a female underneath. Period.

And you really need to stop with the whole quotation marks around she... She is legally a female.

A law doesn't make something true, just or right. The government could outlaw gravity tommorow or legislate that the sky is purple as opposed to blue.

Reality triumphs law in every case, just look to economics for that.

[Kardan]

If you're born with a penis you are a man. Simple concept.

In the eyes of the law I was born a minor, am I still a minor?

Same argument for people that say they weren't born gay but later became gay...

It's called change

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A law doesn't make something true, just or right. The government could outlaw gravity tommorow or legislate that the sky is purple as opposed to blue.

Reality triumphs law in every case, just look to economics for that.

Yes, you're right, but in this case, why does the gender at birth override the current gender? Would you describe someone who was born with blonde hair, but naturally darkened to brown as they grew up, as a blonde?

Or would you say someone who lost both legs in a car accident as having both legs, since they were born with both legs?