Transgender woman wants to fight in women's MMA

[mrwoooooooo]

So now we base the right to compete on how someone looks?

Yeah, if that's how you want to twist my words. let's ban Torres from men's football too

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[Sian]

now this is an interesting one, let me start by clarifying two things.

gender is the cultural and social structured male or female, sex is the biological male or female, that is a scientific fact.

So yes, your sex will always be what you were born as, because some biological features cannot be changed, however I do believe it is the gender that counts more, because your social, culture and personality are what defines you as a person etc.

Therefore with this debate I do believe this woman has a right to fight, there are plenty of other women who are most likely stronger than her, and yeh she'll knock out a few people but you go into fighting knowing there's a high risk you're going to get knocked out. It doesn't matter, the only thing that should matter is if she did anything illegally.

[Adam]

would it be okay if she *did* play in a male tournament?

Yes because 'she' is a man. There's a reason why women don't fight with the men and if you take your rose tinted specs off and see that men, as a general rule, are stronger than women, you'd see that. Put Ronda Rousey in the cage with Brock Lesnar and we'll prove our point.

[FlyingJesus]

Yeah, if that's how you want to twist my words. let's ban Torres from men's football too

How else can one take "look at her. she's more masculine than Comity"?

now this is an interesting one, let me start by clarifying two things.

gender is the cultural and social structured male or female, sex is the biological male or female, that is a scientific fact.

So yes, your sex will always be what you were born as, because some biological features cannot be changed, however I do believe it is the gender that counts more, because your social, culture and personality are what defines you as a person etc.

Therefore with this debate I do believe this woman has a right to fight, there are plenty of other women who are most likely stronger than her, and yeh she'll knock out a few people but you go into fighting knowing there's a high risk you're going to get knocked out. It doesn't matter, the only thing that should matter is if she did anything illegally.

Close but no cigar. You have the correct conclusion but sex (whilst being the biological side of it as you said) isn't a fixed thing - hence there being a difference between transgender and transsexual. A transsexual is someone who, like Fallon Fox, has been biologically transformed to a different sex. There are quite a large number of cases of it happening naturally in the animal world, quite interesting

Yes because 'she' is a man.

No, she isn't. Legally and hormonally she is now a female, and your ignorance doesn't change that fact. I was born bald and yellow, things change

[Adam]

Yeah it happens in nature but that is nature. Nature doesn't go to the doctor to have their penis removed. This is man made. 'She' is a man. My ignorance is my opinion.

[FlyingJesus]

Would you argue that "test tube babies" aren't real humans then

[Adam]

Would you argue that "test tube babies" aren't real humans then

If you take sperm from a man, egg from a woman and go through the same process as would normally happen then no. It's simulation of nature. Chopping a penis off is not simulation of nature.

If we're talking stem cell sperm/egg then yes, not a real human. Man made.

[Empired]

Yes because 'she' is a man. There's a reason why women don't fight with the men and if you take your rose tinted specs off and see that men, as a general rule, are stronger than women, you'd see that. Put Ronda Rousey in the cage with Brock Lesnar and we'll prove our point.

Seeing as she is consuming hormones to make her female, she will be not be nearly as male as the men competing in a Male-Only comp. Letting her compete in the male competition will put her at risk because she's simply not the same as them.

You seem to be only looking at this from one perspective (that she's not fully female) but she is definitely more female than male now.

If you don't want her to compete in female-only competitions and she would be at risk in male-only competitions, do you have another suggestion? Instead of only saying "she cannot compete in women only contests", please suggest another option instead of just telling us the same thing over and over.

[Adam]

People can be more affeminate, sure. They might believe they are female, sure. By some law, she might be female, sure. But she was born a man so she is a man. She should compete in male competition because she is a man.

[Empired]

People can be more affeminate, sure. They might believe they are female, sure. By some law, she might be female, sure. But she was born a man so she is a man. She should compete in male competition because she is a man.

Sorry, maybe I should repeat what I said:

Just saying "my opinion is right because I say so" is not a reasonable argument. I would be willing to come round and see your point of view if you give me a better reason than "BECAUSE", but you have failed to do that so far.

Can you come up with another way for her to compete in competitions without
A) Getting hurt in male-only competitions (because she would)?
B) Not partaking in female-only competitions?

If the answer is no, I don't know why you expect us to agree with you....