House of Commons votes to allow Gay Marriage in England and Wales

[dbgtz]

Why do people really care? Jesus christ. Not only should it not be an issue, but the whole argument for it seems inherently flawed. Marriage is rooted in religion whose follows generally oppose, perhaps even despise, the idea of homosexuals, so why homosexuals want to associate themselves with a group of people who generally dislike their way of life is beyond me. To be quite honest the state should just not be involved in who can and cannot be married and let it up to each religion to do so. All gay marriage seems to me is the imposition of ones will on another which is utterly unfair.

[Cerys]

Why do people really care? Jesus christ. Not only should it not be an issue, but the whole argument for it seems inherently flawed. Marriage is rooted in religion whose follows generally oppose, perhaps even despise, the idea of homosexuals, so why homosexuals want to associate themselves with a group of people who generally dislike their way of life is beyond me. To be quite honest the state should just not be involved in who can and cannot be married and let it up to each religion to do so. All gay marriage seems to me is the imposition of ones will on another which is utterly unfair.

That's what they're doing.. isn't it?
I'm sure I read somewhere that they're making it valid for the same sex to marry, but letting churches decide if they want to perform the ceremony?

Apologies if i have read it wrong

[Reality]

Kind of with you on this one.
Don't see why people can't the the meaning behind why love is love and someone could marry who they want!
What if it was you?

:Thumbs-Up:

I really don't recall any gigantic outcry for gay marriage in the UK before this whole fiasco.
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Good news for some I suppose.

[Mark]

Why do people really care? Jesus christ. Not only should it not be an issue, but the whole argument for it seems inherently flawed. Marriage is rooted in religion whose follows generally oppose, perhaps even despise, the idea of homosexuals, so why homosexuals want to associate themselves with a group of people who generally dislike their way of life is beyond me. To be quite honest the state should just not be involved in who can and cannot be married and let it up to each religion to do so. All gay marriage seems to me is the imposition of ones will on another which is utterly unfair.

Totally agree with this, and Skandair what are you on about... Only a small fraction of the population discriminate against gay people. I'd say racism is more common than gay discrimination lol

[FlyingJesus]

Marriage is rooted in religion whose follows generally oppose, perhaps even despise, the idea of homosexuals

Tell it to the ancient world civilisations who invented marriage

[dbgtz]

That's what they're doing.. isn't it?
I'm sure I read somewhere that they're making it valid for the same sex to marry, but letting churches decide if they want to perform the ceremony?

Apologies if i have read it wrong

If I remember correctly, it's only the CoE who gets any sort of choice though I may be wrong (it might actually be all but CoE gets a choice). But rather than them getting even deeper in the situation it should pull out of marriage, rather than advocate both straight and same sex.

Tell it to the ancient world civilisations who invented marriage

Yes but the point is these religions don't. I'm not saying marriage is defined to be between a man and a woman, I'm just saying it's only seen to be in those religions.

[FlyingJesus]

Oh absolutely an unseemly number of modern religions have those views, but in the UK despite being a "Christian" country we do have freedom of religion, and marriage as it currently stands in law is not necessarily a religious event as it is. It's all semantics and the entire argument only serves to highlight how daft it is to have marriage come under state law at all, but with the laws being as they are it's sadly an important distinction to make

[Chippiewill]

I don't know where people in this thread are getting the idea that a civil partnership is the same as a marriage. There are a bunch of legal differences:
http://www.gaystarnews.com/article/s...marriage250113

[-:Undertaker:-]

What numpty of the highest order -repped me for saying that my comment where I stated marriage is between a man and a woman only is 'homophobic' (whatever that means)? ... If the person who left that comment knew how to debate and knew I was gay, then maybe we could have a sensible discussion on the topic rather than slurring via the reputation tool.

Would they like to step forward and engage on this topic?

To be quite honest the state should just not be involved in who can and cannot be married and let it up to each religion to do so.

I agree entirely with you and Tom (FlyingJesus) when we say get the state out of marriage altogether and leave it as a private contract between two individuals and the institution performing the 'marriage' or ceremony.

What if it was you?

I am gay and I don't agree with gay 'marriage' on a personal level because to me marriage is a religious ceremony that is between a man and a woman to create the bonds which bind together the institution of the family.

[Chippiewill]

What numpty of the highest order -repped me for saying that my comment where I stated marriage is between a man and a woman only is 'homophobic' (whatever that means)? ... If the person who left that comment knew how to debate and knew I was gay, then maybe we could have a sensible discussion on the topic rather than slurring via the reputation tool.

You can be gay and homophobic.