Gay Poll...

[Kardan]

Please, go ahead and tell me...

During that whole post, this is all I could think of, and then you said that line



On topic; woo gay rights. Totally support.

[dbgtz]

Whilst they are essentially very similar and pretty much have the same legal rights there are a few differences... pension, travel restrictions, don't even get me STARTED on gender and the vows and things.

And there is socially less importance attached to a civil partnership: many gay couples who have entered into a civil partnership refer to themselves as "married" but they actually are not. Why does society still see marriage as more important, and why are gay people not allowed to have the same rights and importance?

Well to me I don't see why they really care but if the state wasn't involved then those who wish to marry gays can, and those who don't want to don't have to. Essentially, everybody will win.

Gender balance is a bit of a grey area for me, I'm not quite decided on it yet. But the thing I'm struggling to see is that if LGBT+ people were to have the same rights as straight people, how would that infringe on anyone's liberty? It might oppose their morality or their thoughts but not literally their liberty (any more than it already does, such as commercial law which I've already covered). To compare it to gender balance at work is a bit far-fetched because people who oppose gay marriage won't be NOT allowed to get married if gay couples can, so they're not physically disadvantaged in any way.

Equal rights would not infringe on anyones liberty (if there is maximum freedom). But what you're assuming is people have the right to marry, enter shops etc. and I don't get why you mentioned commerical law as if I agreed with it. Just because it is law doesn't make it right.

I was comparing the lack of choice by employers and ministers of religions (or whatever they're called). Yeah, those who oppose gay marriage will be able to get married, but that's not really what this is about.

Also I'd like to point you basically compared the slave trade to gay marriage so to say my point was a bit far fetched...

You might say all that but your arguments are pretty much the opposite. By basically saying that anyone has a right to treat minority groups as badly as they want that's pretty much condoning racism, sexism, every other ism just for the sake of it.

When it comes to personal property then people should have a right to do whatever they want! But if you're running a commercial service then I don't see why people should be allowed to be discriminatory.

And really, the oppressed minority groups are not going to get any form of equality and respect without a few laws being put in place really are they. Although maybe not everyone might not agree, there is no single rule which NOONE opposes, and seeing as I don't see a case in which anyone's disadvantaged by any gay equality rule I don't see the problem in lobbying and eventually implementing one? Soon?

I'm not condoning it, it's just not the role of the state. Why can't people use their own brain to influence the views of others rather than have some bit of paper essentially telling how to think, act and dance to the drums of the supreme being of Parliament?

If someone owns the land outright then I don't see how that isn't personal.

I'm pretty sure nobody sane will oppose murder, theft, gbh etc. Surely the religions being forced to act as the law would state are being disadvantaged...

SERIOUSLY?

No, not because you are opposed to me, but because you are naive as to privilege. If we ignore the materialistic ideas of privilege so many people seem to have (like constructed classes, like material gain etc), then you are actually quite privileged compared to me.

"Check your privilege" is an actual term which is used to remind people that actually they are quite privileged. In the society we live in, me, as a bisexual woman is less privileged than you, a straight white male (I believe). Then again, I am less privileged than an member of an ethnic minority group.

No I may not be at too much of an obvious advantage compared to you but at the end of the day I am slightly less privileged because I was unfortunate enough to be born a woman and like other women (sometimes). It's not too difficult to understand but it's more difficult to explain.

oh I just want to say this is not a rant about how oppressed I am and how lucky and advantaged you are, AT ALL, seriously, I actually like the challenge of competing against those more advantaged for a role they may not believe I would be suited for and campaigning for rights that I believe people like me, and especially those less privileged than me should have.

I'd like to see how you are disadvantaged because you are a woman. I can understand ethnic minorities, but to be quite frank that's down to the poor idea and implementation of multiculturalism & poor government.

I stray a bit here but as someone who basically seems to be a feminist I'm sure you've heard of Greer? She was on QT the other week (I think it was her anyway) and basically the topic was rape and every time she spoke it was always presumed that it was a woman who should stand up in court unashamed to the evil man. This pretty much highlights why I do not want "equality" laws as they achieve "equality" by focusing solely on their own ideas without actually taking others into consideration and that's why free choice is required, but also inevitable.

[Rixion]

Everyone has rights, so I'm basing this on gays being allowed to marry which I fully support. I'm sure in some states it's legal to marry an animal but not someone of the same gender, that's what I find messed up.

[Soy]

Against.

Come at me bros & atheists.