Fire Comity and vls

[AgnesIO]

Er ok then, different example, if I was to run a habbox-style competition I think the comps managers would be a little miffed about that?

It just depends whether management want double slots or not; something longer like Strangers or an auto-game could run for however long as well as normal events, but it's always been a bit of a binary system. If the rules are, EOs can only host 1 at a time, then if they run more than one (not so much when you can't track them, when they're not advertising it as an official habbox event) then they are breaking those rules technically

I've run lotteries and other competitions on the forum, and am yet to hear complaints about these!

[sex]

I do see all your points, I really do, and it is nice to see good events bringing in advertising! It's only a small matter of, if a HxL DJ was to kick another one off air just cos they wanted there'd be a bit of uproar!

The way you've described it Graham makes me see it differently, why would booking an event make their event popular?! Surely it'd be the opposite because people will stay in the original one??

But yeah, it's lovely you're hosting, even outside your booked slots and unofficially, but when you're taking over someone else's slot (different story altogether when you're hosting FIRST as in this case!) it could be seen (note: COULD BE SEEN BY SOME PEOPLE) as a bit mean.

The thing is we DID NOT take over someone else's slot, there was no event on, 4 people in the help desk and we were bored. That is the reason we hosted there was NO stealing users from other events at the time because there was none booked for the entire day. Obviously if the event before yours is full, if it ends (which is what i assume the host wanted, since he asked for people to go to his event and then complained habbox was in subos room name) you except everyone to go to yours because thats what happens, people go from one Habbox event to the other and this person probably though he has an easy job at filling his room and wouldn't have to make the effort since we basically did it already...

[lawrawrrr]

Why wouldn't you allowed to post a competition? Since you are competitions staff...

And this is the whole point of the thread really, that this 'rule' needs to be changed...

Because my job as competitions staff is to run the official competitions in the set method that there is; if I was to run an incredibly inappropriate competition that was badly written then it would reflect badly on the Competitions department as people MIGHT think it was official just because I am comps staff

In that case, I agree, but only in certain circumstances; hosting 2 boring events at the same time will just make noone turn up to either. It should only be the case for long-running games or auto games.

I've run lotteries and other competitions on the forum, and am yet to hear complaints about these!

Lotteries and comps for VIP are a bit different, they're the only ones to come to mind, and you're not official comps staff or anything and there's no way they could be construed as being official

[sex]

OK, i seen you stated we were hosting first, do you really just expect us to end it then because someone from Habbox decides to host? Even though, after their event was booked and subo got told to remove habbox from tags & room name her room stayed popular for over 3 more hours?!?!? it makes no sense at all, but i can guarantee those 50 people in her room would NOT have gone to habbox events lol

[AgnesIO]

ok so i clarify some things

its my room and all my own furni but im not EO. myles and graham help host it though.

first 2hrs we hosted today there were no events on (and for some hours before there were no events) and habbox was in the tag. then a couple of hours in a host put their name down for 2 slots bingo and addition. during the other hosts second slot martin came in to say he had been getting complaints and was being nagged and asked if i could take the habbox tag out of the room because it was negatively affecting the other hosts (official) games.

its not rly an issue and our game remained as popular as it was after we'd taken the tag out. i dont think it particularly benefited the other host though as their room numbers were still around 10 people before and after i removed the tag. i think his choice of games were mostly to blame for their low numbers.

in future whenever we host i will only use the habbox tag in the room if our event is official and booked in. if someone was searching the habbox tag to find the event and they see a room with 30+ people they will naturally go to that one opposed to the one with lower numbers. it isnt an issue for our game and i understand how it is beneficial to the official events. we will continue to promo habbox whenever we host this game

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Missed opportunities by Habbox there then - popular room, with less Habbox advertisements. Smart move lol

[Martin]

The difference being that the room is not owned by a member of staff, and whilst I agree the event is popular and amazing, from a community point of view it gives the impression that subo is events staff hosting on behalf of habbox etc.

Most people tend to search Habbox on the navigator to find what event is going on, and several members in the official event found it unfair that their room was not being noticed, despite lots of attempts at advertising etc.




In the past whenever a non member of Habbox staff has tried hosting an event in the Habbox name and its not an official Habbox room then they've been asked to remove the Habbox part.


The current policy in events is that only one event can be hosted at a time, so the fact that there were Habbox staff (including events staff) in the strangers game, whilst a trialist was struggling to populate his room in the official event seemed a little unfair.

I didn't make that policy, its just there, and we don't allow clashes etc. From those who don't know's point of view subo is representing Habbox, and personally I would love it if she became Habbox staff so it could become official all the time etc, not just when a Habbox host is hosting in there etc.


Even if she was staff though, we've always discouraged multiple events at the same time, and im pretty sure most places have the same policy, due to how hard it is anyway to get a full room.


You're right in that events generally need to be more varied and interesting (whilst keeping some of the old favourites of course), but we do need to keep things fair and if an event isn't advertised on our site, forum etc, but is treated like a habbox event on the client, people do become confused as to whats going on.

The thing is we DID NOT take over someone else's slot, there was no event on, 4 people in the help desk and we were bored. That is the reason we hosted there was NO stealing users from other events at the time because there was none booked for the entire day. Obviously if the event before yours is full, if it ends (which is what i assume the host wanted, since he asked for people to go to his event and then complained habbox was in subos room name) you except everyone to go to yours because thats what happens, people go from one Habbox event to the other and this person probably though he has an easy job at filling his room and wouldn't have to make the effort since we basically did it already...

Why didn't you book it so it could have been added to the calendar/panel and counted towards your minimum?




I'm sorry if I've offended anyone, but Alex agreed with me that the correct action was taken, and its just the policy really, it wasn't beacause I was trying to be a kiljoy. Perhaps it is something we need to look into, perhaps non members of staff should be allowed to host events whenever they want using habbox in the name, but I think it needs to be clear to everyone regardless.

[lawrawrrr]

The thing is we DID NOT take over someone else's slot, there was no event on, 4 people in the help desk and we were bored. That is the reason we hosted there was NO stealing users from other events at the time because there was none booked for the entire day. Obviously if the event before yours is full, if it ends (which is what i assume the host wanted, since he asked for people to go to his event and then complained habbox was in subos room name) you except everyone to go to yours because thats what happens, people go from one Habbox event to the other and this person probably though he has an easy job at filling his room and wouldn't have to make the effort since we basically did it already...

Yeah I realise that now, I didn't know that before and I never tried to judge you for that, I was purely running on hypotheticals!! Management have no authority to ask a non-staff member to remove advertising from any room or group unless it's trying to be official when they haven't condoned it. Which I don't know if happened or not!

[Kardan]

Because my job as competitions staff is to run the official competitions in the set method that there is; if I was to run an incredibly inappropriate competition that was badly written then it would reflect badly on the Competitions department as people MIGHT think it was official just because I am comps staff

In that case, I agree, but only in certain circumstances; hosting 2 boring events at the same time will just make noone turn up to either. It should only be the case for long-running games or auto games.



Lotteries and comps for VIP are a bit different, they're the only ones to come to mind, and you're not official comps staff or anything and there's no way they could be construed as being official

So if we take your point of a badly run competition and try and translate that to the events department... How can Comity and co. possibly host worse events then what we already have?


And, you're telling me, if you wanted to host anything that gave a prize on the forum, you would be reprimanded by staff?

And secondly, please do tell me how hosting 2 events at the time will make 0 people attend either event. I really don't understand the logic behind that at all.


"Oh no, there's two events! Best not go to either!"
"Oh no, there's two threads on the forum, best not reply to either!"
"Oh no, there's two buses coming along at once, best not get on either!"

Seems flawed.

[AgnesIO]

Because my job as competitions staff is to run the official competitions in the set method that there is; if I was to run an incredibly inappropriate competition that was badly written then it would reflect badly on the Competitions department as people MIGHT think it was official just because I am comps staff

In that case, I agree, but only in certain circumstances; hosting 2 boring events at the same time will just make noone turn up to either. It should only be the case for long-running games or auto games.



Lotteries and comps for VIP are a bit different, they're the only ones to come to mind, and you're not official comps staff or anything and there's no way they could be construed as being official

I've done things for a lot more than VIP before, which almost certainly received more entries than Habbox competitions - I did the draw on Habbo for one, which filled a 50 person room which advertised Habbox throughout. The fact I wasn't staff didn't matter, as it really promoted Habbox and gave a positive image. Other users have done similar things - and I certainly wouldn't have appreciated it had I been told to remove Habbox from the room name.

[FlyingJesus]

Most people tend to search Habbox on the navigator to find what event is going on, and several members in the official event found it unfair that their room was not being noticed, despite lots of attempts at advertising etc.

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The current policy in events is that only one event can be hosted at a time, so the fact that there were Habbox staff (including events staff) in the strangers game, whilst a trialist was struggling to populate his room in the official event seemed a little unfair.

I was under the impression that Habbox events staff are supposed to be promoting Habbox, not themselves. Throwing away a constant stream of people in a 50-max room for 3 hours because it's "unfair" on someone whose event isn't fun enough to get 5 is ludicrous.

Even if she was staff though, we've always discouraged multiple events at the same time, and im pretty sure most places have the same policy, due to how hard it is anyway to get a full room.

Not that hard at all, as was proved today by Graham and Myles

You're right in that events generally need to be more varied and interesting (whilst keeping some of the old favourites of course), but we do need to keep things fair and if an event isn't advertised on our site, forum etc, but is treated like a habbox event on the client, people do become confused as to whats going on.

Then the simple solution is to allow EOs to host whenever they like and simply give the rule that a CNB must be posted for every hour that they host it, no matter who else is hosting at the same time. Habbo's population is limited, certainly, but there are far more people online at any one time than a single event could ever hold