REPUTATION OR LIKE SYSTEM

[Mr-Trainor]

If users do not vote, that is their choice. I'm not sure 40% of the vote should really give a part the right to govern a country (or even less!), particularly when under 65% of the voters actually voted, but there we go.

Also, let's be honest there are not 1,451 active members on this forum - whatever the statistics claim

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Ultimately, whoever is the manager at the time is needs to remember without happy users, this forum has nothing. By the way, why were you never so open when you were managing? I wish you were.

True , I wonder what the current criteria is for a member to be named 'active'. But even so, I'm sure there will be people on the forum who won't know this poll is even here if they don't check out the Feedback thread .

[Matthew]

Well, at present 60% of all voters want the system to stay exactly as it is. Meanwhile, about 38% want the system to change (28.5% of these want a like system). @Danny.R.H2012 has selected other, but I don't think has actually posted what he does want, making his vote completely void.

Got to say at present, it looks like the current rep system is wanted; if possible would you people want to see who repped what post and -reps on a post? @-:Undertaker:- / @Bolt660 / @Daltron / @dbgtz / @Dilusionate / @Flairr / @FlyingJesus / @GoldenMerc / @Headlines / @Inkwell / @Inseriousity. / @Intersocial / @Jordan / @lesbian / @Lewis / @lucaskf390 / @Matts / @Nick / @Red / @rihanna-cool / @Samanfa / @scottish / @XxZammyXx / @Yuxin / @£lliott

In essence, I think that would give what the people who want a like system want, whilst also keeping the reputation system as it currently is (obviously a slight change, but your rep would still stay exactly the same!)

I'm not sure regarding seeing how many -reps a post has- I mean we have the feature for +reps but my only concern is people might just see that a post has loads of -reps and so -reps it as well (I think this is why we don't have the -rep feature anyway).

I don't think we should see who has +/- repped a post, that should be private. But as for seeing the amount of -reps, I'm for that!

[FlyingJesus]

This is under the assumption that anyone would care enough to abuse it. The point of a like system is that it's so trivial that it would be meaningless to abuse it.

If it's that trivial then it's a pointless system, so thanks for your support in stating that a like system is utterly useless

You cut off half of my sentence there. I originally said I understand what Sam's trying to say because it is hard for new members to get rep. I don't know how to fix this, I was just agreeing with her.

Congrats but my point still stands and no-one has as yet raised a real opposition to it other than NOPE IT'S DIFFICULT I PROMISE despite it being proved otherwise

Because I'm trying to think of a way to turn the rep system in to a like system without having to have two separate systems?

Why?

And actually it would make it easier to earn 'points' (rep points/like points/whatever) because if the power is capped at a lower amount then restrictions can be lifted, meaning people would actually be likely to accumulate points at a faster rate than currently and would make it easier for newer users to catch up with exisiting users in regards to the 'power' (rep power/like power).

Cheers for agreeing that it's easily abused and totally useless

I agree, I don't think anyone would care so much. And with a capped 'power' it's not going to change what they're able to give, but rather it could only increase their points. If someone cares enough to go and waste their time liking every single post from another user then let them.. it'll take them ages to make a small difference.

Cool story but that's the same issue as rep as it currently stands, you're still to note any possible benefit to anyone

I think the issue here is that polling is pretty misleading, most people see these threads don't understand and end up voting for the status quo without properly understanding the situation

I agree that polls are totally useless but if you'd care to actually read the thread you'd see that the most popular decision (keeping things as they are) is backed up by multiple posts that show logical reasoning rather than pointless presumptions by people who clearly have no idea how reward systems work. I'm still waiting to hear even one benefit of switching to a like system

To be fair, I wouldn't say 44 poll votes represents the majority of the 1,451 active members .

Fantastic news, now try applying your logic to your utterly useless plans to reform something that even less than that agree with. If 44 (currently 50) votes aren't representative of the popular opinion then 19 certainly isn't and you're just talking total rubbish

[Kyle]

The poll options are a little too disjointed, I voted the rep-like conversion option because to me it was most preferable of the two concerning what this thread is actually about. I offered some suggestions in the earlier thread and showed how I thought they would improve the system but I that doesn't mean I would advocate the switch, I don't feel like the demand is really there. People only seem to want a like system because other websites they use have them?

On displaying names... don't do it -- especially for -reps. Most people like the privacy of repping and the fact that they can do it without judgement from the rest of the community. don't display -reps under a post either, it'll just encourage bandwagoning (as the +rep display proves) and discourage those with unpopular opinions from posting in future.

LEAVE EVERYTHING AS IT IS, THOSE WITH LOW REP POINTS MUST STRIVE TO BE EXCELLENT AND MAKE INTERESTING, FUNNY AND INSIGHTFUL POSTS TO CLIMB THE REP LADDER. INFLATION WILL SORT ITSELF OUT.

[Mr-Trainor]

I'm not sure regarding seeing how many -reps a post has- I mean we have the feature for +reps but my only concern is people might just see that a post has loads of -reps and so -reps it as well (I think this is why we don't have the -rep feature anyway).

I don't think we should see who has +/- repped a post, that should be private. But as for seeing the amount of -reps, I'm for that!

Then surely seeing the green counter on posts that have received a +rep would make loads of people join in and +rep the same post?

If it's that trivial then it's a pointless system, so thanks for your support in stating that a like system is utterly useless



Congrats but my point still stands and no-one has as yet raised a real opposition to it other than NOPE IT'S DIFFICULT I PROMISE despite it being proved otherwise



Why?



Cheers for agreeing that it's easily abused and totally useless



Cool story but that's the same issue as rep as it currently stands, you're still to note any possible benefit to anyone



I agree that polls are totally useless but if you'd care to actually read the thread you'd see that the most popular decision (keeping things as they are) is backed up by multiple posts that show logical reasoning rather than pointless presumptions by people who clearly have no idea how reward systems work. I'm still waiting to hear even one benefit of switching to a like system



Fantastic news, now try applying your logic to your utterly useless plans to reform something that even less than that agree with. If 44 (currently 50) votes aren't representative of the popular opinion then 19 certainly isn't and you're just talking total rubbish

Because it seems like a lot of people are voting and have voted in the past against a like system because they don't want to lose the rep points and comments they've earned over their time at Habbox Forum (myself included). By reforming the current rep system slightly to resemble more of a like system, it means we have a more modern system but also a fairer system (for newer users). As for abusing the system, surely people with high rep powers could also abuse their high rep and negative rep peoples posts - and if they did it to posts where someone broke the forum rules, it wouldn't be against the rules regarding reputation. And so the benefits are:
- more modern system
- a system people will use more than rep, therefore encouraging users to post
- a fairer system where it's actually possible for people to reach the highest rep/like power
- we can see when a post has been disliked

[mrwoooooooo]

get rid of both

[FlyingJesus]

Because it seems like a lot of people are voting and have voted in the past against a like system

So people consistently decide against a change and that's a reason to want change lol ok

a like system, it means we have a more modern system but also a fairer system (for newer users). As for abusing the system, surely people with high rep powers could also abuse their high rep and negative rep peoples posts - and if they did it to posts where someone broke the forum rules, it wouldn't be against the rules regarding reputation.

More modern isn't an argument since there have been like systems around for years, being unnecessarily egalitarian is not the same thing as fair, and rep has limits and rules to it which makes it more difficult to abuse than your suggested changes would.

And so the benefits are:
- more modern system
- a system people will use more than rep, therefore encouraging users to post
- a fairer system where it's actually possible for people to reach the highest rep/like power
- we can see when a post has been disliked

Why would people use it more? I don't see any evidence to this effect, especially since so many people don't even want it.
Having a cap on power just makes it so there's no actual reward, which is the opposite of fairer.
An indicator for -rep has been suggested time and time again yet for some reason has always been naysayed by upper management, it could be added on to the current system without changing all the rest though.

[Kardan]

Can someone explain to me how a like system would get used more than a rep system when over half the people want a rep system to stay in the first place?

[Matthew]

Then surely seeing the green counter on posts that have received a +rep would make loads of people join in and +rep the same post?

I remember that being the exact argument when the +rep 'counter' was added in the first place. IMO if we have one for +rep then we should have one for -rep too

[Red]

I remember that being the exact argument when the +rep 'counter' was added in the first place. IMO if we have one for +rep then we should have one for -rep too

No we shouldn't for the reasons Kyle said!!