Habbox Staff Structure

[Kardan]

I may have misunderstood the graph but if the numbers on the side don't include management+seniors (I'm guessing not cos of the word 'ordinary') then if you include those in the numbers, it means there are 19 eos which is definitely not as bad as people are making out. It roughly has around 20-30 so its not far out the norm. Ofc, judging how well departments are doing based on staff quantity isn't very accurate anyway.

Yup, numbers don't include senior staff or managers.

[xxMATTGxx]

Definitely, the only role they seem to serve at the moment is stopping managers from putting things into action for their departments

No one has stopped any managers putting anything into place. There might have been one specific person in General Management who may have stopped certain changes in the past couple of months but I've not heard of them stopping anything since.

[Kardan]

Also, I'm pretty impressed I got a thread moved out of spam, I was going to put it in feedback initially, but since the main post itself wasn't really providing feedback as such, I just stuck it in spam. Nice to see people actually engaging in the data at least.

Whilst people are quick to say quality over quantity, I think HxL still wins in that department.

Other noticeable things:

News is lacking in staff, Rare Values is pretty low (but do they need the staff?)

HxHD has a surprising amount of staff members, and the high numbers of trialists (along with HxL) would suggests that the new managers are doing good work at getting new staff in.

Assistant managers look like they're becoming a thing of the past, not sure if that's good or not. Co-managers only seem to be introduced for different time zones at the moment, but as I said before, seems to be working well.

Why do content and graphics not have any senior staff?

Oh, and people say that @Samanfa; and @lawrawrrr; do a lot of work in various departments, but a big shoutout to @Shonly; who is managing and a senior in two departments. Working her way up in the various different ladders I see

[Tom]

Also, I'm pretty impressed I got a thread moved out of spam, I was going to put it in feedback initially, but since the main post itself wasn't really providing feedback as such, I just stuck it in spam. Nice to see people actually engaging in the data at least.

Whilst people are quick to say quality over quantity, I think HxL still wins in that department.

Other noticeable things:

News is lacking in staff, Rare Values is pretty low (but do they need the staff?)

HxHD has a surprising amount of staff members, and the high numbers of trialists (along with HxL) would suggests that the new managers are doing good work at getting new staff in.

Assistant managers look like they're becoming a thing of the past, not sure if that's good or not. Co-managers only seem to be introduced for different time zones at the moment, but as I said before, seems to be working well.

Why do content and graphics not have any senior staff?

Oh, and people say that @Samanfa; and @lawrawrrr; do a lot of work in various departments, but a big shoutout to @Shonly; who is managing and a senior in two departments. Working her way up in the various different ladders I see

As it stands, smaller departments (such as 4-5 staff members) aren't desperate for a senior. We do have plans in one or two departments, though, since they're actually increasing in staff. So we'll see how that goes.

[lawrawrrr]

I'll reply properly later but I do think that there is a bit of an awkward problem that's the elephant in the room at Habbox, in that yes, AGMs are doing things, but they're not doing anything new and/or exciting: keeping it ticking over.

Senior staff, I believe that every department should have one. I am just waiting on confirmation then will be promoting someone in content! I believe that if you don't have senior staff OR an assistant manager then it can sometimes be hard for a normal staff member to adjust when it comes to promotion. However, some departments just don't have the need for it, like graphics.

also I would like to say I'm so happy that Content is increasing in size, I'm aiming to keep pushing this number up as then we can be working on a lot more, and bigger, projects!


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[Kardan]

As it stands, smaller departments (such as 4-5 staff members) aren't desperate for a senior. We do have plans in one or two departments, though, since they're actually increasing in staff. So we'll see how that goes.

I feel like I'd agree with you if we were talking about assistant managers, but becoming senior staff is really the only way to get any sort of promotion in the smaller departments, at least until the manager resigns.

[Inseriousity.]

Co-managers are a thing more because seperating them would involve making a tough decision and it's much easier to say fine you can both have it. This isn't really a criticism of any current joint managers though and it's not necessarily a choice that can have any drastic negative impact (although as with most things, it could be troubling in a pair of different hands) so it's harmless even if the reasoning behind it lacks any backbone.

As for general management stopping things, I don't think that's true. It's more a case of not pushing things through. Radical changes are treated with kids gloves and that often undermines them allowing the staff/members who don't like said change to change it back.

PS. Smaller departments do not need seniors. If they've been trained properly/have the right attitude then it is not a huge leap from staff to management.

[Tom]

I feel like I'd agree with you if we were talking about assistant managers, but becoming senior staff is really the only way to get any sort of promotion in the smaller departments, at least until the manager resigns.

I see where you're coming from and, again, I do agree. However again in smaller departments it's harder for them to actually get any extra roles, without becoming an Assistant Manager. There could be the odd "look at people's graphics, make sure they're all of perfect standard" and what not, but that's basically the manager's job and because there's a staff amount on the lesser side, there's no point. They're not exactly (or definitely shouldn't be) struggling.

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As for general management stopping things, I don't think that's true.

Let's just say, it's a large mixture of both for some AGMs.

[Inseriousity.]

If there is no faith in said AGMs then I would say it applies to all of them as you need backbone to fire them too. Patiently twiddling thumbs and waiting for them to resign (which Matt did with me) isn't good enough either.
Good point about the seniors though. True story about the assistant competitions manager role. Alex3213 was my senior for ages and it wasn't until a staff quota was introduced that excluded managers that he was "promoted" to assistant manager. He had the exact same role but it just allowed me to have an extra member of staff (although obviously Alex was a great manager/senior too so he deserved the title as well!).

[Kardan]

Then why not just introduce the senior title to the more experienced staff members in those departments? They're doesn't have to be any extra job roles if there are none to give, but at least it gives something to aim towards. I'm pretty sure the difference between my 'Lecturers' and 'Senior Lecturers' at Uni are just that the seniors have been there longer and end up on a better pay scale

To be fair, I wasn't even aware that senior staff in some departments had a different role than ordinary staff, just that they were the experienced ones. I can understand that senior staff have a role in larger departments thatcan be team based (HxL, HxHD etc.) but News, Rare Values and possibly Events?