Gender-based abortions: right or wrong?

[MKR&*42]

Right of the woman over her body vs Right of the crybaby male parent who might not even make a good parent. Oh yeah, you gotta pick your battles

What's really sickening here is that you can judge how a male parent will be like just by his financial stability even though the woman has clearly objected the idea, what now you'll make her go through the pregnancy just because his daddy feelings were hurt? I will repeat this till the end, if you don't have a uterus, you have absolutely no right to jump on the conclusion that abortion is wrong. That's like sitting with a bunch of white people asking their definition is racism

There's a reason this is an unpopular opinion

I wasn't trying to judge his qualities by his financial stability, moreso the fact he has them both. I totally understand it's the woman's body and all, but I don't understand how you can possibly view it as morally fair when you're literally destroying an entire future for the dad. Also "crybaby" is a bit too far... if I had a friend who went through that I wouldn't exactly call them that I would at least try and be sympathetic : L.

[Kardan]

I wasn't trying to judge his qualities by his financial stability, moreso the fact he has them both. I totally understand it's the woman's body and all, but I don't understand how you can possibly view it as morally fair when you're literally destroying an entire future for the dad. Also "crybaby" is a bit too far... if I had a friend who went through that I wouldn't exactly call them that I would at least try and be sympathetic : L.

I don't think 'He could be a good Dad' would mean anything really, I mean, you can't even predict how good someone will be until they've done it... And even then? Isn't it all perspective? Adults might think you're a good Dad, but at the end of the day, your children might not think so - and surely it's their opinion that counts

[MKR&*42]

I don't think 'He could be a good Dad' would mean anything really, I mean, you can't even predict how good someone will be until they've done it... And even then? Isn't it all perspective? Adults might think you're a good Dad, but at the end of the day, your children might not think so - and surely it's their opinion that counts

Hmm yeah I guess so. I was just basing it on someone who wouldn't have any kind of criminal record or bad history with drugs/alcohol etc. and stuff like that

[Yawn]

u r thick as **** lucas

[karter]

I wasn't trying to judge his qualities by his financial stability, moreso the fact he has them both. I totally understand it's the woman's body and all, but I don't understand how you can possibly view it as morally fair when you're literally destroying an entire future for the dad. Also "crybaby" is a bit too far... if I had a friend who went through that I wouldn't exactly call them that I would at least try and be sympathetic : L.

YOU ARE ALSO DESTROYING THE LIVES OF THE MOTHER AND THE BABY BY MUCH MORE EXTENT JUST BECAUSE THE FATHER DECIDED TO BARGE IN AND SHOVE DOWN HIS DESIRE TO BE A PARENT. HE IS IN FACT NOT EVEN NEEDED IN THE HEALTHY UPBRINGING OF A CHILD, THE MOTHER CERTAINLY PLAYS A HUGE PART IN IT.

You found the crybaby part a little harsh? A little overview of the thread for you

If women don't want babies, maybe they ought to keep their legs shut?

If women don't want the risk of falling pregnant, then maybe they should keep their legs shut and turn irresponsible males away?

TO SUM IT ALL UP, IF YOU CAN'T LOOK AFTER A CHILD KEEP YOUR LEGS SHUT!

There is another human being inside that body and it should not be harmed because of the selfishness and stupidity of a woman falling pregnant in the first place.

it's still the woman's fault for falling pregnant

If you're fine with these statements and find the crybaby thing offensive, then congratulations to you but I am not here for the 'blame the woman for everything while protecting the opinions of unoppressed gender' attitude

[MKR&*42]

YOU ARE ALSO DESTROYING THE LIVES OF THE MOTHER AND THE BABY BY MUCH MORE EXTENT JUST BECAUSE THE FATHER DECIDED TO BARGE IN AND SHOVE DOWN HIS DESIRE TO BE A PARENT. HE IS IN FACT NOT EVEN NEEDED IN THE HEALTHY UPBRINGING OF A CHILD, THE MOTHER CERTAINLY PLAYS A HUGE PART IN IT.

You found the crybaby part a little harsh? A little overview of the thread for you











If you're fine with these statements and find the crybaby thing offensive, then congratulations to you but I am not here for the 'blame the woman for everything while protecting the opinions of unoppressed gender' attitude

I never said I was fine with those statements at all, I think they're worse than what you said. Can you not throw in things I'm not even saying nor have I outright agreed to... lol. I said a while back "as for rest of thread idrc" as I didn't do anything but skim the posts. Christ find my opinion unfair all you want but don't twist my words so I suddenly agree with whatever nonsense people have spewed about it being the woman's fault.

Wait what how can you say a father isn't necessary in upbringing? Yeah there are single parent families that do fine, but not having some form of male (or female role model if the single parent is a male) is hardly a gigantic benefit to the child. I never got brought up around the dad and it didn't do any wonders for me? :S

[karter]

I never said I was fine with those statements at all, I think they're worse than what I've said. Can you not throw in things I'm not even saying nor have I outright agreed to... lol. I said a while back "as for rest of thread idrc" as I didn't do anything but skim the posts. Christ find my opinion unfair all you want but don't twist my words so I suddenly agree with whatever nonsense people have spewed about it being the woman's fault.

Wait what how can you say a father isn't necessary in upbringing? Yeah there are single parent families that do fine, but not having some form of male (or female role model if the single parent is a male) is hardly a gigantic benefit to the child. I never got brought up around the dad and it didn't do any wonders for me? :S

But you found the crybaby thing a little harsh, out of everything on this thread that was harsh. Fab. Anyway this is what I was implying, I wasn't exactly 'twisting' your words. You chose not to involve with that and your reply was 'idrc' but you found crybaby objectionable..but what can I say....opinions are opinions...

Why men are not a necessity in the upbringing of a child :

1. Men often get a free pass when it comes to raising a child, like it's a woman's duty. I am not generalizing here but it's a fact that in most households, men don't provide an active role in rasing kids

2. Women are more attached to children, because they carried them during the pregnancy and would obviously be better caregivers, for men however it's a forced task most of the time.

3. Men are generally clumsy in non verbal communication, nursing, dressing, feeding etc.

The only role I see that men are good at is probably emotional support and encouragement which the mothers can provide too

What I wrote above was highly generalized I know, that's why I wrote 'most men' and 'generally' so before anyone jumps in and calls me stereotyped, yeah. Now you please elaborate how a willing and financially stable father will successfully bring up a child against the will of the mother.

[MKR&*42]

But you found the crybaby thing a little harsh, out of everything on this thread that was harsh. Fab. Anyway this is what I was implying, I wasn't exactly 'twisting' your words. You chose not to involve with that and your reply was 'idrc' but you found crybaby objectionable..but what can I say....opinions are opinions...

Why men are not a necessity in the upbringing of a child :

1. Men often get a free pass when it comes to raising a child, like it's a woman's duty. I am not generalizing here but it's a fact that in most households, men don't provide an active role in rasing kids

2. Women are more attached to children, because they carried them during the pregnancy and would obviously be better caregivers, for men however it's a forced task most of the time.

3. Men are generally clumsy in non verbal communication, nursing, dressing, feeding etc.

The only role I see that men are good at is probably emotional support and encouragement which the mothers can provide too

What I wrote above was highly generalized I know, that's why I wrote 'most men' and 'generally' so before anyone jumps in and calls me stereotyped, yeah. Now you please elaborate how a willing and financially stable father will successfully bring up a child against the will of the mother.

Bold = Yes because it harsh, because some other fools have come out with "it's the woman's fault" it doesn't give you a right to say anything like that?

In the second point you say "more" attached, which is understandable given the biological circumstances. It doesn't mean a father cannot be extremely attached towards a child as well? If you imagined it as a scale out of /100 (I can't think of another example) then you could have A) Female = 100/100 for attachment and B) Male = 99/100, just because he supposedly can't be as attached it doesn't mean he isn't going to be attached at all.

Clumsy I'm not even gonna try I'm confused in general.

The fact of the matter is, any statistic would show you someone in a fatherless family has the odds stacked widely against them in regards to dropping out of school/experiencing poverty/crime/heck even rape and more. Fatherless families are NOT the way to go and I know you've said "in general", but that's still pretty damn insulting as you're implying the large majority of men will act like that when I would believe the other way round - if u wanna go find a statistic for "clumsiness" be my guest i guess...

Poor gay couples doing an awful job of raising any kid.

[Kardan]

Bold = Yes because it harsh, because some other fools have come out with "it's the woman's fault" it doesn't give you a right to say anything like that?

In the second point you say "more" attached, which is understandable given the biological circumstances. It doesn't mean a father cannot be extremely attached towards a child as well? If you imagined it as a scale out of /100 (I can't think of another example) then you could have A) Female = 100/100 for attachment and B) Male = 99/100, just because he supposedly can't be as attached it doesn't mean he isn't going to be attached at all.

Clumsy I'm not even gonna try I'm confused in general.

The fact of the matter is, any statistic would show you someone in a fatherless family has the odds stacked widely against them in regards to dropping out of school/experiencing poverty/crime/heck even rape and more. Fatherless families are NOT the way to go and I know you've said "in general", but that's still pretty damn insulting as you're implying the large majority of men will act like that when I would believe the other way round - if u wanna go find a statistic for "clumsiness" be my guest i guess...

Poor gay couples doing an awful job of raising any kid.

That's a bit of a generalisation, right? I don't think a father or a mother is necessary, but parent(s) (doesn't have to be biological) are.

Maybe I read your last sentence in the wrong context, could do with a comma somewhere maybe

[MKR&*42]

That's a bit of a generalisation, right? I don't think a father or a mother is necessary, but parent(s) (doesn't have to be biological) are.

Maybe I read your last sentence in the wrong context, could do with a comma somewhere maybe

Was meant to be sarcastic if that's where your confusion is coming from? I was taking the idea that a father cannot supposedly by a decent parent "in general" to quote someone and applying it to a gay couple, thus suggesting they would supposedly raise children worse than hetero couples which isn't actually the case.