Lee Rigby killers sentenced

[Yawn]

the dailymail commenters are unbelievably thick so i'd never take their opinion seriously

hmm death penalty is a tricky 1 cos like ppl said earlier in the thread u have a lifetime of jail where they actually pay for their actions whereas death is a quick way out. but then once they are dead they are dead so it doesnt rly matter anyway. but no i dont agree with death penalty it doesnt sit right with me having the power to take some1s life

[Cerys]

I don't think the death penalty should be given to them. Torture on the other hand though sounds very fitting in this situation.....


Does anyone know why the guy got life means life but the other guy only got a minimum of 45 years? Was it because his outbreak in court raised his sentence or did the other guy just hm.. do less damage to Lee Rigby *RIP* or did an early guilty plea etcetc?

[e5]

Glad they're off to street, in whatever way. 2 less murderers.

[-:Undertaker:-]

Nice exaggeration there.

Where is the exaggeration? We saw it with the Tony Martin case.

If the death penalty was ever reintroduced, it wouldn't be death by hanging anyway - so good luck ever getting anyone hanged by the government.

How do you know? France only abolished their favourite method of execution (the gulliotine) a few decades ago.

In any case, whether it's by hanging/electric hair or lethal injection... I want to see it reintroduced.

So you think prisons shouldn't serve halal meat and show a blatant disrespect to the Muslim religion? If so, that is an extremely ignorant view. Would you say Jewish prisoners should be denied kosher food? Or is it just because you believe Muslim's deserve the lack of respect more?

Yes I would say that Jewish prisoners should be denied kosher food, absolutely. If you go to prison you are denied whatever preferences you may have on the outside when free - the entire lot of them should be served the cheapest most unpleasant food that the prison can buy. That's called punishment, something our prisons now lack because hand wringers like you are more concerned about the rights of prisoners when in prison than their actual punishment for what they did to their victims.

If you want to talk about being offensive, what offends me is the way that Islamic groups in this country have used lobbying to mean that most schools and public restaurants now sell halal meat (without labelling) to EVERYBODY as opposed to just muslims. It is again another example of a small minority bending society to do what it wants. I am offended that we all have to have our menus dictated to now incase it upsets Islam.

If not serving these two animals halal meat in prison offends them then good.

Self defence is completely different to the execution of someone. The criminal is an active threat in self defence situations, when they are locked up they are now under the control of the guards and are no longer a threat. The first two examples are completely different to the death penalty (War, self defence).

You said I would be hanged too for committing a murder when you ignorantly ignored the fact that the death penalty is legal murder much in the same way that killing on a battlefield is legal murder or self defence is legal murder. In any case, I view the death penalty as society's defence against evil.

But let's have a referendum on it (which we've never been granted) and see what the rest of the public think.

[Inseriousity.]

Lee Rigby's girlfriend doesn't want to see them hanged cos it'd be giving them what they want (they wanted to die, to be martyrs).

[Kardan]

Where is the exaggeration? We saw it with the Tony Martin case.

Seriously? So you reckon the government does more for prisoners than non-prisoners?

Please give me all the things the government have done recently for prisoners, and please try and explain how that out-numbers the things the government have done for non-prisoners (Aka, most of the entire country).

[-:Undertaker:-]

Seriously? So you reckon the government does more for prisoners than non-prisoners?

Please give me all the things the government have done recently for prisoners, and please try and explain how that out-numbers the things the government have done for non-prisoners (Aka, most of the entire country).

I'm talking about the criminal justice system, not wheelie bin collections.

I simply think that the number of times that habitual criminals are let off in this country, 999 calls go unanswered, violent crime rises, criminals are let out early after they are eventually sent to prison or not put in at all - and thats without mentioning how they are treated inside of prison - gives me the impression that the criminal justice system is on the side of the criminal class rather than the law abiding majority. If you read the comments in newspapers on stories regarding crime, you'll often find that many feel the very same way too.

Public faith in all of our rotting institutions is going the same way, down the plughole. I now have no faith that murderers or child abusers for example will be truly punished in prison and that's why I now have to, with regret, hope that somebody inside of the prison will get hold of them. It pains me to support mob justice and mob rule, but when the state won't do it's basic job properly then I have little choice.

[The Don]

If you compare the prison systems of Norway and other countries which focus on rehabilitation you will notice a big difference between the reoffending rates. The justice system is not there to punish or for retribution, if you want that I suggest you move to a country practicing sharia law. I'd much rather follow the more successful and progressive system of rehabilitation, than the blood thirsty regressive system we used during during the middle ages.

[-:Undertaker:-]

If you compare the prison systems of Norway and other countries which focus on rehabilitation you will notice a big difference between the reoffending rates. The justice system is not there to punish or for retribution, if you want that I suggest you move to a country practicing sharia law. I'd much rather follow the more successful and progressive system of rehabilitation, than the blood thirsty regressive system we used during during the middle ages.

The rehabilitation myth is well and truly alive it seems. Rehabilitation is a myth for the very fact that is focuses on those who are least likely to reoffend. For example, a man who kills his wife in a fit of rage that's been building for a number of years is unlikely to reoffend so why not let him out? We don't let him out because the justice system is designed on the principle of justice and punishment... as well as acting as a deterrent. In very much the same way that, as Peter Hitchens has pointed out here in the UK, those selected for rehabilitation have been those deemed least likely to reoffend so therefore you end up with good 'rehabilitation' figures.

As for the comparison with Sharia Law, this goes to show just what liberalism does to people and the rot it makes them talk. There is nothing bloodthirsty or barbaric about desiring justice. If the justice system does not administer justice, then it is up to the people to do it - and I would.

[The Don]

The rehabilitation myth is well and truly alive it seems. Rehabilitation is a myth for the very fact that is focuses on those who are least likely to reoffend. For example, a man who kills his wife in a fit of rage that's been building for a number of years is unlikely to reoffend so why not let him out? We don't let him out because the justice system is designed on the principle of justice and punishment... as well as acting as a deterrent. In very much the same way that, as Peter Hitchens has pointed out here in the UK, those selected for rehabilitation have been those deemed least likely to reoffend so therefore you end up with good 'rehabilitation' figures.

As for the comparison with Sharia Law, this goes to show just what liberalism does to people and the rot it makes them talk. There is nothing bloodthirsty or barbaric about desiring justice. If the justice system does not administer justice, then it is up to the people to do it - and I would.

Come back when you acknowledge the reoffending rates in a country such as Norway, compared to harsher systems in the US.