China knife attack leaves at least 33 dead and 143 wounded

[The Don]

Oh yeah Detroit which has some of the toughest gun laws in America.

Look! Peasants like us clearly shouldn't be allowed to be armed with either guns or knives, both are very dangerous. Only state officials like Chairman Mao, Her Majesty, Deng Xioping, Hu Jintao, George W Bush or Obama should be allowed to be armed because their lives are much more important than those of the people.

Just trust in the state *wipes corner of mouth*. The Chinese did in the 1950s, and it worked out great for them.

Lol, i'm reading the Michigan state gun laws right now and it looks pretty easy to get a gun? But there you go, just saying things and hoping it's true is greatttt. Pretty laughable if you think having a couple of guns would put a scratch on the military if they did try anything.

[Kardan]

Oh yeah Detroit which has some of the toughest gun laws in America.

Look! Peasants like us clearly shouldn't be allowed to be armed with either guns or knives, both are very dangerous. Only state officials like Chairman Mao, Her Majesty, Deng Xioping, Hu Jintao, George W Bush or Obama should be allowed to be armed because their lives are much more important than those of the people.

Just trust in the state *wipes corner of mouth*. The Chinese did in the 1950s, and it worked out great for them.

What relevance do gun laws have when you are talking about murder? Criminals clearly don't follow gun laws.

"Oh yes, better tell the police I have a gun before I carry out my murder"

[FlyingJesus]

How difficult is it to realise that there's a gigantic difference between a tool being used wrongly and a tool that is built specifically for harm? Making snide comments that show a complete lack of understanding about an issue that's not even what the thread's about isn't particularly useful nor clever.

RIP to those who were killed, and here's hoping for a speedy recovery both physical and mental for the wounded masses

[-:Undertaker:-]

Lol, i'm reading the Michigan state gun laws right now and it looks pretty easy to get a gun?

It is in comparison to UK, but not in comparison to rest of the US of A.

But there you go, just saying things and hoping it's true is greatttt. Pretty laughable if you think having a couple of guns would put a scratch on the military if they did try anything.

Then why do most dictators ban them? Do you know why gun rights were put into the US constitution?

How difficult is it to realise that there's a gigantic difference between a tool being used wrongly and a tool that is built specifically for harm? Making snide comments that show a complete lack of understanding about an issue that's not even what the thread's about isn't particularly useful nor clever.

Hey there's a slight difference there, but what does it matter? Both are dangerous. I'm thinking of all the people harmed by knives here and whilst it's true that the vast majority of knife owners are sensible (as the same with guns) we just cannot take the risk. China and this country need to introduce stricter knife regulations which will save lives, and that's worth it isn't it for just a bit of freedumb?

Think of the children who are victims of knife attacks. If China had tougher knife laws, this wouldn't have happened.

What relevance do gun laws have when you are talking about murder? Criminals clearly don't follow gun laws.

"Oh yes, better tell the police I have a gun before I carry out my murder"

Exactly.

[The Don]

It is in comparison to UK, but not in comparison to rest of the US of A.

Why put "toughest gun laws in america" then? Ridiculous argument anyway if you can't tell the difference between the uses of a gun and knives. Tom has put it far more eloquently than myself anyhow.

As to your dictator comment, one would assume that they have a far worse military compared to technologically superior nations such as the US and UK.

[FlyingJesus]

Aaaand again just mocking the victims rather than having any idea what you're actually on about. Here's a clue: guns have no purpose other than to do harm and that is why there is no need for them in society. Potential doesn't come into the argument at all and never has except from idiots who can't comprehend simple facts. Also city or state gun laws in the US mean nothing because you can literally drive out of town and get a gun then bring it back with no problems at all

[-:Undertaker:-]

Why put "toughest gun laws in america" then? Ridiculous argument anyway if you can't tell the difference between the uses of a gun and knives. Tom has put it far more eloquently than myself anyhow.

As to your dictator comment, one would assume that they have a far worse military compared to technologically superior nations such as the US and UK.

An armed people can bring down the most modern military. The American Revolution itself was only fought by an estimated third of the population who would have had very simple weapons for farming purposes - pitted against the British army which was the most powerful in the world. The people won and brought down the tyranny of King George III and his thirteen colonies.

And guns aren't just to 'kill people' - the mere act of firing a gun without the intent to kill somebody, as many yanks do, can scare away evil people wishing to do harm because they know you have a gun. It's mainly a deterrant just as it acts as a deterrant against a tyrannical and out of control government.

Aaaand again just mocking the victims rather than having any idea what you're actually on about. Here's a clue: guns have no purpose other than to do harm and that is why there is no need for them in society. Potential doesn't come into the argument at all and never has except from idiots who can't comprehend simple facts. Also city or state gun laws in the US mean nothing because you can literally drive out of town and get a gun then bring it back with no problems at all

I'm not mocking anybody. I'm mocking you lot who post exactly what I am posting whenever there is a gun attack in America - you all go nuts and start calling for guns to be banned or tougher gun laws. Ironically though, barely anybody had anything to say (even though they read it) when I posted a thread a few weeks back on a woman who defended herself and her property using a gun against vile scumbags. Ain't that strange - just as nobody ever had anything to say when I bring up the examples of guns in Switzerland. The VAST majority of Americans use guns sensibly just as the majority of Chinese use knives sensibly.

It's like the people on here who will argue for very tough anti-smoking laws but are absolutely 100% against any tighter controls on the internet for protecting children. Hypocrites.

[dbgtz]

No no no because that's just what the pro-gun lobby say, that criminals will still get hold of guns (as they do). And we can't listen to the pro-gun lobby even though what they say is true.

Nope, we need to ban all dangerous things and have the state heavily regulate/control them. Only then can we be safe. Of course our dear leaders will still be allowed to defend themselves with armed guards.

These guys clearly weren't able to get hold of them...

[-:Undertaker:-]

These guys clearly weren't able to get hold of them...

Depends entirely on circumstances. There are a lot of knife attacks, fist fights and baseball attacks in pro-gun America yet nobody ever turns around and puts forward the same argument only in reverse.

The mere act of legalising guns does not mean you will get everyone shooting one another. It's deeper than that.

[Inseriousity.]

I read that sentence wrong and thought police had shot 29 bystanders in their attempts to kill the attackers. Had to reread it lmao. RIP to all the victims. Interesting choice of weapon, still seems to have caused heavy damage before they were dealt with which is slightly surprising but I'm guessing the claustrophobia of train stations where everyone squishes together might have led to making it slightly easier for them.