Rare Values Revamp

[Mr-Trainor]

I don't know if you could pull the values off the wiki because it's not technical enough for that, but that's really not my field of expertise anyway. It just seems like a lot of effort to keep manually updating values - if we make the decision to scrap them for V7, like in proposal 1, then what's the point of keeping it all up on the wiki?

Yeah I still would have preferred my original idea (Proposal 1) rather than Proposal 2 as I don't think it'd be as effective in removing the problem (too much focus valuing every item).

Just to add on to Proposal 1; rather than moving non valued items to another section on Habbox, that wouldn't be necessarily with the Wiki anyway.

[karter]

i choose the option of scrapping the department altogether

[Kardan]

I don't know if you could pull the values off the wiki because it's not technical enough for that, but that's really not my field of expertise anyway. It just seems like a lot of effort to keep manually updating values - if we make the decision to scrap them for V7, like in proposal 1, then what's the point of keeping it all up on the wiki?

If you keep rare values, you have to update the values manually anyway.

I'm suggesting instead of updating them on the site, update them on the wiki. As you said though, depends if it's technically possible.

[Mr-Trainor]

Maybe it wouldn't be as user friendly and as easy to update a value though (it's quite easy atm, just search an item to find it and then type in a new value over the old one).

[lawrawrrr]

If you keep rare values, you have to update the values manually anyway.

I'm suggesting instead of updating them on the site, update them on the wiki. As you said though, depends if it's technically possible.

My point is, what's the point in keeping manually updating values, a time consuming process when the general consensus is that anything other than rares (and even some of those) are done on MP value really. Pretty sure that manually writing them in, not using the script... plugin... something idk it's been a long day... we currently use to link it to Hx values would make any form of clever usage in order to do that.

Unless a whole new system was written: not something I really see as being worthwhile at the moment. Maybe once the V7 coding is done we can explore alternatives.

[jorsian]

I would go with proposal 2.

Rather than reorganizing or limiting the types of rares that are updated, I think it would be smarter to hire more people or grant more power to the existing people in the department. After all, if you can't trust the people you hire why did you hire them in the first place?

You could always do a combination of both proposals, but I still think either way there is going to be a ton of values that need updating. To exclude certain rares doesn't make sense since the whole point of a rare values section is to value all the rares in existence.

Certainly I would get rid of all the norm categories as I believe it's easy enough to search their value through the marketplace. I doubt many people even bother going to a Rare Value site in order to look up norm values, unless of course they are rare-ish norms like the Tall Tree or Flamingo.

[-:Undertaker:-]

My only problem with the first proposal is this: what would be the point in continuing to value items such as the Russian Samovar and Petal Patch other than for nostalgic reasons? Nobody requires Habbox to tell them the value of a Petal Patch, a Holopod, a Samovar or an Aloe Vera - the Marketplace does that nowadays. The reason why I came up with the 100c (or 50c) limit in my proposal 3 is because items which are over the 100c mark tend to move about more and are rarer, meaning it can be harder for traders to gauge an average value.

Does Habbox need to value items that are very common and low priced? No.
Does Habbox need to value items such as Limited Edition which are not in the catalogue? Yes.
Does Habbox have a role to play in finding the average of expensive (super) rare items that flucuate in price a lot? Yes.

I personally think we should be valuing only Limited Edition items and items which are over the 75c or 100c mark. All the items under 100c are very common and you can easily find the value for them on the marketplace. Either way, anything is better than the mess we have at the moment.

[jorsian]

My only problem with the first proposal is this: what would be the point in continuing to value items such as the Russian Samovar and Petal Patch other than for nostalgic reasons? Nobody requires Habbox to tell them the value of a Petal Patch, a Holopod, a Samovar or an Aloe Vera - the Marketplace does that nowadays. The reason why I came up with the 100c (or 50c) limit in my proposal 3 is because items which are over the 100c mark tend to move about more and are rarer, meaning it can be harder for traders to gauge an average value.

I personally think we should be valuing only Limited Edition items and items which are over the 75c or 100c mark. All the items under 100c are very common and you can easily find the value for them on the marketplace. Either way, anything is better than the mess we have at the moment.

While it is true that the value of certain rares is easily attainable through a quick search of the marketplace, it's often helpful to know the history of a rare's value. Currently, the marketplace only archives sales within a period of 30 days. The Habbox values are more helpful because they show the value of a rare over a much greater period of time, so the trends are easier to spot.

I guess it's a matter of weighing the amount of work it takes to update the values next to how much demand there is for such information.

[-:Undertaker:-]

While it is true that the value of certain rares is easily attainable through a quick search of the marketplace, it's often helpful to know the history of a rare's value. Currently, the marketplace only archives sales within a period of 30 days. The Habbox values are more helpful because they show the value of a rare over a much greater period of time, so the trends are easier to spot.

I guess it's a matter of weighing the amount of work it takes to update the values next to how much demand there is for such information.

That's true and ideally we would like to value everything to keep a nice record - but for a department that nowadays struggles to retain staff (we now have 5 to 8 staff members compared to 25 back in 2006/2007 - with the number of rares having probably increased tenfold) it simply isn't realistic to have the department value everything anymore. There's just too much to value and it's impacting on our ability to focus on those items which do need more investigative reporting (ie, Limited edition items and expensive items).

I used to be able to remember most values off by heart (I still remember the values of items back in 2006) - today that's impossible.

[Kardan]

My point is, what's the point in keeping manually updating values, a time consuming process when the general consensus is that anything other than rares (and even some of those) are done on MP value really. Pretty sure that manually writing them in, not using the script... plugin... something idk it's been a long day... we currently use to link it to Hx values would make any form of clever usage in order to do that.

Unless a whole new system was written: not something I really see as being worthwhile at the moment. Maybe once the V7 coding is done we can explore alternatives.

So what do you want rare values to do if they don't manually put in values?