News Department Feedback 2k13

[MKR&*42]

I only skim read Laura's post but that comment about "sorry for having a life" in conjunction with checking for spelling mistakes is completely out of order. That is an essential in any news department upon any fansite and you "having a life" does not give you automatic exemption from scanning a news article quickly for mistakes... that was such a low blow. I actually feel sorry for you @Bolt660; as you raised a genuine point which was responded to with such appalling reasoning.

Announcement: *all managers - you are exempt from doing anything to improve your staff's performance because you have lives*

[FlyingJesus]

My favourite line was "Yes, if we could implement a new plan right now (well, 2 months ago when I first wrote it)" as though this is somehow not possible despite her being the Content AGM, and then going on to blame Recursion deleting a forum member (nothing to do with content) for holding things up and refusing to take any responsibility. You are not entitled to a role that you can't fulfil, and you aren't entitled to everyone's gratitude for doing sweet FA for 2 and a half months

[Brad]

And that, everyone, why I resigned the first time from news...

(I was the revolting one)

[Kardan]

Does this mean that "Sorry for having a life" is a valid argument now?

I imagine if a regular staff member was asked why they hadn't met their quota, and they replied with that, they'd be warned if not fired.

[lawrawrrr]

Why would you not check spelling mistakes. They're guaranteed to be there and it would only like someone a few minutes...

Not saying news should stick around, it's an awful department. One thing I never understood is why HxL never presented any news. Go on a lot of radio stations in the day and there will be news about once an hour or so. News should be merged with HxL.

I would check spelling mistakes, and now I'm back from being away, I will be reading them and updating in the next hour. News should NOT be merged with HxL, but I'd love someone to do a news show, definitely.

As usual Laura goes on the attack and makes excuses for her complete lack of work rather than actually acknowledge (let alone sort out) the problems that have been facing her since before she even had this role, and attempts to defend the news team while in the very same post points out how useless and unnecessary they are

And the problems are worse, if you seriously think that going full weeks without any news being posted is "the same problem" that you inherited then you obviously didn't pay much attention when it was solely your department. If you have too much of a life (lol) to do your job then quit it and let someone take charge who will actually do something other than post themselves away and get angry at other people for your failures

I think you find I acknowledged that there are a lot of issues. The actual problems are exactly the same as they have been, yes it's terrible they're still issues. There have been times in the past where it's been weeks without News, recently it's actually picked up, which is why i said it HAS been worse. The only reason I haven't resigned is because I've been involved in these plans, and I'm not sure who would be able to take over. I could just quit and it would stay exactly as it is, but without *anyone* ever looking at it (for now!). I know what I'm doing, and am working very hard. Sorry I don't publicly announce every single PM I send but I figure my time is better spent elsewhere. Drew's not posted away, I'm not angry at him. And they're not my personal failures (although I REALLY appreciate the nasty tone of your post there), and I know you'll just say it's all excuses, but who's the one with the inbox full of plan communications that have constantly been taking place over the last month? Oh yeah, that's me.

I only skim read Laura's post but that comment about "sorry for having a life" in conjunction with checking for spelling mistakes is completely out of order. That is an essential in any news department upon any fansite and you "having a life" does not give you automatic exemption from scanning a news article quickly for mistakes... that was such a low blow. I actually feel sorry for you @Bolt660; as you raised a genuine point which was responded to with such appalling reasoning.

Announcement: *all managers - you are exempt from doing anything to improve your staff's performance because you have lives*

I haven't really been on Habbox on my computer since Thursday. If I have, it's not been for very long. Therefore, can't read and/or edit news, which is why I explained (not made excuses, but explained) why there are mistakes. We can't expect any manager, or staff member to completely fulfil their role 100% of the time, that's why we allow them to post away. I took a break because I needed to, I physically couldn't do Habbox work on top of everything else. I wasn't just taking a break so I could hang out with friends or get drunk, I've actually been constantly working since then. I got a little bit angry & upset reading Martin's post and that's why I wrote that, but I can assure you, I wouldn't be making excuses if the scenario you painted was true. Yes, there are other people who could have filled in while I was away, and the genuine answer is, I have NO IDEA why they haven't and I'm not particularly enthralled by their attitude. I've already spoken to them about this.

I know half of you won't believe me but I don't really care any more. If you think it's that big a deal, please report it to Matt who'll deal with me properly. If you all think I'm terrible at my job (I'm doing the best I can in the circumstances), and think then I will do the honourable thing and resign. I genuinely think I'm doing OK at the moment, especially now I've sent off the new plan PM, once I've read and corrected the articles I haven't had a chance to yet, I'm pretty much up to date!

[Mr-Trainor]

So sorry for having a life.

That's got to be the most ridiculous thing I've read all day. How can you dismiss spelling/grammar checks as you did, and because of 'having a life'.. You're the Content AGM and I'd like to think that you want to maintain/create a high standard of content on Habbox, but if you're going to dismiss something as fundamental as reading over work to check for errors, then I really don't know what else to say.

[lawrawrrr]

My favourite line was "Yes, if we could implement a new plan right now (well, 2 months ago when I first wrote it)" as though this is somehow not possible despite her being the Content AGM, and then going on to blame Recursion deleting a forum member (nothing to do with content) for holding things up and refusing to take any responsibility. You are not entitled to a role that you can't fulfil, and you aren't entitled to everyone's gratitude for doing sweet FA for 2 and a half months

1) the plan 2 months ago was COMPLETELY different, I didn't do it then because I don't want to launch straight into a big development without asking the staff members

2) I don't care what Recursion did to Chippiewill, but there was a very major part of the plan that relied on the possibility of a feature that needed to be coded on the current and new website. As the Technical Manager, we had to ask him, it took a week to get a reply, after which he sent a VERY vague response, then flew off the handle with Will which has left us in the dark. I asked the Site Coders about it but they focused on other things. The new plan doesn't involve this.

3) You do realise my role isn't News Manager, it's content manager? Look at everything else I've done. I have done **** TONS in the last 3 months, thank you very much.

And that, everyone, why I resigned the first time from news...

(I was the revolting one)

I don't mean revolting as in disgusting, I mean, revolting against me. And you weren't the only one.

Does this mean that "Sorry for having a life" is a valid argument now?

I imagine if a regular staff member was asked why they hadn't met their quota, and they replied with that, they'd be warned if not fired.

Like I said, I wrote that in anger, I posted away because I HAD to. And if a regular staff member was posted away they wouldn't be asked. I posted away in the proper methods required and that's why I'm excused from doing much work over the last week.

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That's got to be the most ridiculous thing I've read all day. How can you dismiss spelling/grammar checks as you did, and because of 'having a life'.. You're the Content AGM and I'd like to think that you want to maintain/create a high standard of content on Habbox, but if you're going to dismiss something as fundamental as reading over work to check for errors, then I really don't know what else to say.

I HAVE EXPLAINED THIS FOUR TIMES NOW I WROTE THAT IN ANGER AND DID NOT MEAN IT IN THE WAY WHICH EVERYONE HAS TAKEN IT

I began a NEW JOB five days ago and between that and wrapping up my two other jobs to hand over, I haven't even had time to be on Habbox.

Since when weren't AGMs allowed to post away!?!??!!?!?

[Martin]

Surely you're not the only person capable of editing mistakes in news articles, and there is someone who would be able to cover your responsibilities (or at least the news related ones) during the periods you are away?


I think the "I was posted away" "I was on limited activity" "I have a life" excuses are used far too much, and if they are affecting such basic important things then something is clearly very very wrong. It seems to be the AGMs get out clause when the going gets tough.


First impressions count, and people being directed to habbox.com WILL noticed the news articles, even if its the mis-spelt titles, or noticing that the news being reported on is old and non current, they WILL get an impression from this and its not a good one.



You say you were writing things in anger when saying "Sorry for having a life", but why should you be angry? This is the FEEDBACK forum and people are entitled to have feedback on various departments whether good or not, surely you can see where the problems are too and kind of see where people are coming from instead of being defensive on every point?


We ALL want what is best for Habbox, we all want to see it improve and most of us care deeply about how we are perceived. Putting hard work into it is what gets the results and I know you do work hard, but we really need to start seeing the results.




I look forwards to seeing a vast improvement at the weekend as promised.

[FlyingJesus]

I think you find I acknowledged that there are a lot of issues. The actual problems are exactly the same as they have been, yes it's terrible they're still issues. There have been times in the past where it's been weeks without News, recently it's actually picked up, which is why i said it HAS been worse.

2 posts (both just copied over from the Habbo site) is "picked up"? Whoa.

The only reason I haven't resigned is because I've been involved in these plans, and I'm not sure who would be able to take over. I could just quit and it would stay exactly as it is, but without *anyone* ever looking at it (for now!). I know what I'm doing

Read: "no-one could possibly do my job I am the only person in the world with the ability to implement nothing for 3 months". Your ego is hilarious

Sorry I don't publicly announce every single PM I send but I figure my time is better spent elsewhere.

Very true, it could be spent putting plans into action rather than just talking about them vaguely. If you're in charge, take charge

And they're not my personal failures (although I REALLY appreciate the nasty tone of your post there), and I know you'll just say it's all excuses, but who's the one with the inbox full of plan communications that have constantly been taking place over the last month? Oh yeah, that's me.

They are because it's your job and you aren't doing anything past the planning stage but seriously lmao @ talking about MY tone

I know half of you won't believe me but I don't really care any more

That much is obvious, and really all you needed to say. Cheers.

[lawrawrrr]

Surely you're not the only person capable of editing mistakes in news articles, and there is someone who would be able to cover your responsibilities (or at least the news related ones) during the periods you are away?

I'm not, and I don't know why they weren't done.

I think the "I was posted away" "I was on limited activity" "I have a life" excuses are used far too much, and if they are affecting such basic important things then something is clearly very very wrong. It seems to be the AGMs get out clause when the going gets tough.

I've only been away once as AGM, this time. I've been on limited a few times, but always done the bare minimum. It's not an excuse, I give warning and advance notice every single time. I've been doing so much work with other departments, Habbox-wide things etc., as well as formulating and chasing these plans up, it's not a get out clause, it's not an excuse because I have nothing to excuse myself FROM.

First impressions count, and people being directed to habbox.com WILL noticed the news articles, even if its the mis-spelt titles, or noticing that the news being reported on is old and non current, they WILL get an impression from this and its not a good one.

You say you were writing things in anger when saying "Sorry for having a life", but why should you be angry? This is the FEEDBACK forum and people are entitled to have feedback on various departments whether good or not, surely you can see where the problems are too and kind of see where people are coming from instead of being defensive on every point?

Because I've had a lot of baseless insults thrown at me by a variety of people throughout this process, when I only want the best of the department, and I've had enough of it. Feedback is 99% of the time negative, 20% of THAT not even constructive. Most of the time this may as well be called the "blame" subforum.

We ALL want what is best for Habbox, we all want to see it improve and most of us care deeply about how we are perceived. Putting hard work into it is what gets the results and I know you do work hard, but we really need to start seeing the results.
I look forwards to seeing a vast improvement at the weekend as promised.

I haven't promised improvements at the weekend. I promised changes, which I hope will LEAD to improvements. You have to understand I don't have a magic wand which I can wave and make thousands of people visit Habbox, to be willing to join the department and write for us, I can only do what I, and from what staff and Habbox members say, think can lead to this.