Cameron faces election bloodbath as shock poll reveals Farage's 44% lead over Tories

[-:Undertaker:-]

Well of course you'd recommend looking at something that's got nothing to do with what I said, that's your entire debate style

Oh no, it applies completely to you.

- in this book prominent political scientists Robert Ford and Matthew Goodwin put UKIP's revolt under the microscope and show how many conventional wisdoms about the party and the radical right are wrong.

You are wrong and the scientific polling (which is accurate, no matter what you say) says you are wrong.

[FlyingJesus]

Wrong about what? My claim was that unemployed people are more likely to have grievances against immigrant workers than those who are already securely in the workforce, that's got nothing to do with UKIP methods. Do at least ATTEMPT to keep up

[-:Undertaker:-]

Wrong about what? My claim was that unemployed people are more likely to have grievances against immigrant workers than those who are already securely in the workforce, that's got nothing to do with UKIP methods. Do at least ATTEMPT to keep up

"dey h8 darkies"
"its nationaliszm lyke 1930s"
"all unemployed chavs voting ukip innit"

All unfounded and lazy assumptions that aren't backed up by the studies and polling of the Ukip voter base.

Discussions of a voter demographic/polling can be interesting when the person you're talking to actually has a clue, but this is very boring.

[The Don]

"dey h8 darkies"
"its nationaliszm lyke 1930s"
"all unemployed chavs voting ukip innit"

All unfounded and lazy assumptions that aren't backed up by the studies and polling of the Ukip voter base.

Discussions of a voter demographic/polling can be interesting when the person you're talking to actually has a clue, but this is very boring.

Hardly unfounded, Dan.

[FlyingJesus]

Again with things I haven't said, well done. Did you use weighting to come up with that?


ps 700 people from the Clacton constituency amounts to a little over 1% of the electorate. It's like asking 2 people who have been on HxF today what their views on cats are (making sure to pick only the people whose answers are likely to fit what you want to see) and claiming that it's an accurate representation of the whole lot of us

[-:Undertaker:-]

Hardly unfounded, Dan.

Yes they are.

How do I know? Because i've looked into it *taps book full of polls, surveys and research* rather than making lofty Guardian-like assumptions.

[FlyingJesus]

Making assumptions is what this thread is entirely about lmao

[-:Undertaker:-]

Again with things I haven't said, well done. Did you use weighting to come up with that?


ps 700 people from the Clacton constituency amounts to a little over 1% of the electorate. It's like asking 2 people who have been on HxF today what their views on cats are (making sure to pick only the people whose answers are likely to fit what you want to see) and claiming that it's an accurate representation of the whole lot of us

The pollsters are rich because they get it right.

I would supply links to previous by-elections and elections where polling got it more or less right, but you're set in your ways so what's the point?

[The Don]

Yes they are.

How do I know? Because i've looked into it *taps book full of polls, surveys and research* rather than making lofty Guardian-like assumptions.

So it's unfounded to claim that the unemployed are more likely to have an issue with immigration than those in employment?

[-:Undertaker:-]

Making assumptions is what this thread is entirely about lmao

An assumption is made without proof, a poll of voter intentions is not something that is without any proof.

Hence why political parties pay very special attention to them and carry out their own secret polls throughout campaigning. They matter hugely.