Testing on animals for medical advancement purposes

[lawrawrrr]

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are u sure

I meant torture not pain in the second one really - or rather, what humans would call "horrific amounts of pain"

[Empired]

I meant torture not pain in the second one really - or rather, what humans would call "horrific amounts of pain"

When you say you don't think animals have a concept of pain, what do you mean then? Psychological pain? Because if you ring a bell and then hit a dog, and repeat it enough times, you can ring the bell and the dog will cower and hide away because it's expecting the pain to follow. Is that not a concept of pain?

[lawrawrrr]

When you say you don't think animals have a concept of pain, what do you mean then? Psychological pain? Because if you ring a bell and then hit a dog, and repeat it enough times, you can ring the bell and the dog will cower and hide away because it's expecting the pain to follow. Is that not a concept of pain?

I don't think they experience it in quite the same way that we do. It's hard to define even in humans really, because it combines physical and psychological elements. I don't think animals have those psychological elements - because they don't have the same capability for emotions in that way. Animals, in my view, can't feel distress and suffering, and although they can learn from mistakes/past pain, like the dog example you said, they can't form a real connection with it and their pain only extends to the current, rather than the lasting psychological pain. I'm not sure I'm saying what I mean very well though :/

[Kimmy]

Animals can't agree to being tested on. I guess if it were to save many human lives, it would be beneficial but what gave us to potentially ruin/take the lives of other innocent creatures for our own?

Is that not sort of selfish?

[Alkaz]

Morally it is wrong that we do it but I think if anyone was given the choice that either they or an animal live, they would save them self every time. It's kind of the same thing, we test things on animals to save ourselves.

It's the hierarchy of nature, a lion isn't going to starve itself to death in order to save a zebras life.

[Zak]

Hands down yes

[MilksAreUs]

Personally I don't mind animals being tested on.