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    Quote Originally Posted by Intersocial View Post
    This is kind of going off on a tangent, but this did remind me of a study done by a magazine in the 70s or 80s (can't recall) actually counted a situation where;

    - Woman consents to sex night before even though she is drunk
    - Woman wakes up regretting the decision

    As rape, which led to a massively overexaggerated statistic for how many women on average get raped each year. I think the study was revised/redone later on and that inconsistency was corrected though Just a bit of random trivia.
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    As for the topic at hand, feminism has almost no place in the western world and I fail to see why people see the feminist movement as a valid and 'fair' one.
    Interesting...

    Off on another tangent, that reminds me of this moment on Question Time.

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    Oh dear, am I a little late to the party?

    Okay. Welp, I was expecting to come on here and be the only guy saying 'Yes', but, since I don't particularly want to play Devil's Advocate any more than I want to reinforce what's already been said...

    If having consensual sex with an intoxicated woman is to be classed as 'rape', then to what lengths do we extend that definition? It seems that the issue at hand is that someone who is drunk can't always make particularly wise choices; while I'm not disputing that fact, having partaken of a certain amber liquid to excess myself, surely this state of mind isn't limited to those who imbibe alcohol? There are some people who, whilst in a 'sober' state of mind, still make abominable choices with regards to their sexual partners. Some people are emotionally fragile. Some people might be more eager to please someone sexually due to previous mental trauma; would we really be willing to classify a man who, unknowingly, sleeps with one of the latter cases as a 'rapist'? I think that would be an incredible lapse in judgment.

    Also, not that I don't expect a reply to the above point, but I wish to mention two other things:

    1. A woman cannot be found guilty of rape, firstly, at least in the United Kingdom. It is a male-specific offence.

    2. Recently, after Shia LaBeouf (who I personally dislike, but hey-ho) made it known that he had been 'raped' by a female at an art exhibition, who had removed her clothing and performed some sort of act upon him, to the distress of both her partner and Shia's own...Piers Morgan made a point of saying that he had not been raped, and that for him to say he had been cheapened the cases of (women) who had ACTUALLY been raped. Personally, I'd make the claim that the feminist movement is cheapening it enough themselves, especially with the above case of classifying the buying of a drink for a girl as 'attempted rape'.

    Your thoughts?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Collegno View Post
    If having consensual sex with an intoxicated woman is to be classed as 'rape', then to what lengths do we extend that definition? It seems that the issue at hand is that someone who is drunk can't always make particularly wise choices; while I'm not disputing that fact, having partaken of a certain amber liquid to excess myself, surely this state of mind isn't limited to those who imbibe alcohol? There are some people who, whilst in a 'sober' state of mind, still make abominable choices with regards to their sexual partners. Some people are emotionally fragile. Some people might be more eager to please someone sexually due to previous mental trauma; would we really be willing to classify a man who, unknowingly, sleeps with one of the latter cases as a 'rapist'? I think that would be an incredible lapse in judgment.
    lol if having sex whilst i'm intoxicated is rape then everyone i've slept with has raped me except one
    thing with drinking alcohol is you make mistakes other than sleeping with someone you regret. you might take drugs. you might fight. you might vandalize. you might make racial slurs. saying "but i was drunk" doesn't excuse you from those crimes because you still made that decision, why is sex different?

    Quote Originally Posted by Collegno View Post
    Also, not that I don't expect a reply to the above point, but I wish to mention two other things:

    1. A woman cannot be found guilty of rape, firstly, at least in the United Kingdom. It is a male-specific offence.

    2. Recently, after Shia LaBeouf (who I personally dislike, but hey-ho) made it known that he had been 'raped' by a female at an art exhibition, who had removed her clothing and performed some sort of act upon him, to the distress of both her partner and Shia's own...Piers Morgan made a point of saying that he had not been raped, and that for him to say he had been cheapened the cases of (women) who had ACTUALLY been raped. Personally, I'd make the claim that the feminist movement is cheapening it enough themselves, especially with the above case of classifying the buying of a drink for a girl as 'attempted rape'.Your thoughts?
    i would agree with them cheapening it.
    i had a rant about how they use rape victims as a weapon against men. someone said about shia's rape "now he knows what women go through everyday." not every woman is raped and they are making it out be such a normal thing. the whole 'eye-raping' is offensive to actual rape victims or when they say "i was nearly raped" because a guy looked them up and down.
    feminists pretend to care about (female) rape victims yet they don't let you recover. they continue your mistrust and hatred of men when there could be one out there that will help you recover. just my experience anyway.


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