Gun attack on Charlie Hebdo, 12 killed 7 injured

[-:Undertaker:-]

I think you are getting justification and comparisons confused.

Regardless of how the media has brainwashed you, the publication was intended to racially attack people. You might not like to admit it but they were the victims of racism. Admittedly they can't really play that card when they shot people. Who is to say that there are not more Muslims living in France who took offence but did not take extremist measures? And no, the murder was not justified, it was wrong on every level but it was provoked.

There's no such thing as a Islamic racial group, therefore how can one be racist to criticise Islam which is an ideology/moral code rather than a race?

[jake87385]

No, i'm pretty sure I know what you meant. You were justifying the murders with your silly comparison.

It was provoked? Again, how so? Drawing a cartoon should never provoke a shooting. People have been racist to me before in the past and I didn't retaliate by shooting up their family. You can admit you're wrong you know.

We are not talking about how a 'normal' person would react, we are talking about people who are extremists. Sure if someone made a cartoon attacking English/American/Australian/Canadian people we would probably just shrug our shoulders or laugh but when you are doing the same to people who have been taught to die for what they believe in the reaction will be of a higher magnitude.

[The Don]

We are not talking about how a 'normal' person would react, we are talking about people who are extremists. Sure if someone made a cartoon attacking English/American/Australian/Canadian people we would probably just shrug our shoulders or laugh but when you are doing the same to people who have been taught to die for what they believe in the reaction will be of a higher magnitude.

You're now changing your tune and thus the argument. The point still stands that killing someone is not fair retaliation for being disrespected which your previous posts imply and killing someone is not equal to punching somebody like your comparison suggested.

[jake87385]

You're now changing your tune and thus the argument. The point still stands that killing someone is not fair retaliation for being disrespected which your previous posts imply and killing someone is not equal to punching somebody like your comparison suggested.

I am not changing my tune, I am looking at facts.
The post you are referring to was a comparison and not a justification like you have previously stated.

I do not disagree with you when you say "Killing someone is not equal to punching" but similarly insulting a partner is not the same as insulting a religious figure.

[The Don]

I am not changing my tune, I am looking at facts.
The post you are referring to was a comparison and not a justification like you have previously stated.

I do not disagree with you when you say "Killing someone is not equal to punching" but similarly insulting a partner is not the same as insulting a religious figure.

I'm sorry but this is no different to someone mocking your GF/BF and you punching them. The paper mocked their almighty leader and they decided to hit back.

Saying that I do think they are giving other non-extremist Muslims a bad image and causing unprovoked attacks

I'm sorry but this is no different to someone mocking your GF/BF and you punching them.

Yes, because murdering someone is the same as punching someone. Your post attempts to justify the murders by insinuating the retaliation is fair through your comparison to somebody punching someone for insulting their girlfriend.

You can admit you're wrong mate, nobody will think any less of you.

[Kyle]

Who cares about punchin or insultin or whatever y'all are going on about, either way it's wrong and people have died so stop arguing about semantics and consider the lives lost and what should be done about religious extremism and very real terror threats that are engulfing the world!


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[The Don]

Who cares about punchin or insultin or whatever y'all are going on about, either way it's wrong and people have died so stop arguing about semantics and consider the lives lost and what should be done about religious extremism and very real terror threats that are engulfing the world!


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If someone makes a stupid post i'm going to call them out on it. I've already posted about the lives lost (was one of the first to). The fact that people think this is an acceptable retaliation is an issue relevant for further discussion.

Sickening. People that think it's acceptable to kill over drawings and/or people expressing their opinion have no place in our society.

[jake87385]

Yes, because murdering someone is the same as punching someone. Your post attempts to justify the murders by insinuating the retaliation is fair through your comparison to somebody punching someone for insulting their girlfriend.

You can admit you're wrong mate, nobody will think any less of you.

As a comparison it is no different, both the triggering action and response taken are of a proportionately lower severity when compared with what happened in France. But as previously stated that was not an attempt to justify what has happened.

If I thought what happened was acceptable or right or supported it I would not be sitting at home on Habbox I would be living in some third world terrorist training camp.

[The Don]

As a comparison it is no different, both the triggering action and response taken are of a proportionately lower severity when compared with what happened in France. But as previously stated that was not an attempt to justify what has happened.

If I thought what happened was acceptable or right or supported it I would not be sitting at home on Habbox I would be living in some third world terrorist training camp.

The comparison is completely different and stupid. How is the triggering action in France proportionately higher? Both the triggering actions in your example and in France are the same, an insult. The Responses taken differ significantly in level of severity therefore your comparison is wrong. Comparing the two is justifying it as hitting someone for insulting their partner is typically seen as an acceptable reaction (not saying it is, but I guarantee you a large majority think it's an acceptable reaction).

[jake87385]

The comparison is completely different and stupid. How is the triggering action in France proportionately higher? Both the triggering actions in your example and in France are the same, an insult. The Responses taken differ significantly in level of severity therefore your comparison is wrong. Comparing the two is justifying it as hitting someone for insulting their partner is typically seen as an acceptable reaction (not saying it is, but I guarantee you a large majority think it's an acceptable reaction).

I can't help but feel that you are trying to drag this out until I say something which you feel I will not be able to justify. I have tried to reason with you but you continue to challenge every word of every sentence because you disagree with someones initial point.

I made an initial point which some users may of disagreed with, however I have explained what was meant and I can assure you I am not justifying murder under any circumstances.

I am not willing to be part of such a futile debate.