Ukip launch 2015 Manifesto

[scottish]

More money on our defence the better, if the way I see it.

I believe the point regarding British citizens first is saying no I want a British citizen not an immigrant (ergo discrimination and you lose a lawsuit) which is currently the case would be abolished and you could pick a British citizen over an EU citizen without any consequence or justification for your choice.

Silly you

idk i don't care for politics and even less for UKIP though so could be wrong.

[AgnesIO]

More money on our defence the better, if the way I see it.

I believe the point regarding British citizens first is saying no I want a British citizen not an immigrant (ergo discrimination and you lose a lawsuit) which is currently the case would be abolished and you could pick a British citizen over an EU citizen without any consequence or justification for your choice.

Silly you

idk i don't care for politics and even less for UKIP though so could be wrong.

What sort of business picks a British person over a better qualified EU citizen just for being... British? :L

[-:Undertaker:-]

What sort of business picks a British person over a better qualified EU citizen just for being... British? :L

My aunty had a Spanish student working as a nanny and she applied for jobs and remarked that she couldn't believe how over here people didn't put British people first when applying for jobs. She said that in Spain the Spanish always try to put their own first when it comes to employing people for jobs.

[FlyingJesus]

What sort of business picks a British person over a better qualified EU citizen just for being... British? :L

It is totally stupid and a wasted business opportunity for the boss obviously, but personally I think private businesses should be able to do near enough as they please in these cases - if they lose out that's their own stupid fault, just like with those who refuse to serve certain people or whatever

[AgnesIO]

My aunty had a Spanish student working as a nanny and she applied for jobs and remarked that she couldn't believe how over here people didn't put British people first when applying for jobs. She said that in Spain the Spanish always try to put their own first when it comes to employing people for jobs.

My dad has never had problems when he worked in Spain for multiple firms. The Spanish also have a HIGHER percentage of immigrants (as a percentage of the population) than the UK.

It is totally stupid and a wasted business opportunity for the boss obviously, but personally I think private businesses should be able to do near enough as they please in these cases - if they lose out that's their own stupid fault, just like with those who refuse to serve certain people or whatever

Firms can pretty much do this already. The issue is, if you open this up to nationality, why not do it for race, sexuality and gender, too? After all, people don't simply pick their nationality when they are born...

[-:Undertaker:-]

Firms can pretty much do this already. The issue is, if you open this up to nationality, why not do it for race, sexuality and gender, too? After all, people don't simply pick their nationality when they are born...

On that basis we shouldn't have any border controls at all then, is that what you support?

And judging from previous replies to this thread, it's clear to see why you support the useless Conservative Party. Doesn't even believe in national defence. Wants to piss money up the wall across the world. Believes in spending £50bn for a pointless railway. Believes in spending £18bn a year on wind turbines.

When the Tories fail to win another election this time (haven't won one since 1992 now), if you need to ask yourself why then...

[AgnesIO]

On that basis we shouldn't have any border controls at all then, is that what you support?

And judging from previous replies to this thread, it's clear to see why you support the useless Conservative Party. Doesn't even believe in national defence. Wants to piss money up the wall across the world. Believes in spending £50bn for a pointless railway. Believes in spending £18bn a year on wind turbines.

When the Tories fail to win another election this time (haven't won one since 1992 now), if you need to ask yourself why then...

I believe in national defense. I just want to know what 'substantial increases' are, and how the bloody hell we are going to pay for these. Withdrawing from the EU and stopping ALL foreign aid wouldn't even pay for a 1% increase in national defense. So, how on earth can we pay for a substantial increase?

I believe in Foreign Aid spent CORRECTLY. To me, this means SLIGHTLY reducing the amount sent overseas, and MORE spent on people who actually know how to spend it best.

HS2 - I wish it could be cheaper, but unfortunately in this country building infrastructure is bloody expensive. However, seeing as you live in Liverpool, I guess you don't understand the absolute nightmare that any minor infrastructure and maintenance issues cause commuters on a daily basis. Upgrading all of our railways would take decades, and I - along with millions of other British people - cannot deal with decades of railway delays which are an absolute certainty if we rebuild all of our existing railways.

The Climate Change Act is not just about wind turbines (can't stand them, by the way, absolute eye sore). But I do not think reversing action on climate change is a smart decision either.

At least the Conservatives have had five years of influence since 1997, and nine years since 1993. That would be nine years more than UKIP, and it may well soon be even more than that.

[-:Undertaker:-]

I believe in national defense. I just want to know what 'substantial increases' are, and how the bloody hell we are going to pay for these. Withdrawing from the EU and stopping ALL foreign aid wouldn't even pay for a 1% increase in national defense. So, how on earth can we pay for a substantial increase?

The Defence budget, as others have alluded to, is recommended by NATO to be 2% of state spending. Not a large amount. Yet the Tories want to cut the budget from the £31bn to £35bn we spend on it at the moment... just like they did back in the 1980s which then led to the Falklands being invaded by Argentina and this country just about saving face, with the lives of many men lost in the process. The Tory Party is supposed to be and poses as the patriotic party, yet it is anything but.

Let's say to keep it at 2%, we have to add £3bn to the MoD over the next parliament. Take it from the overseas aid budget which is £11bn.

I believe in Foreign Aid spent CORRECTLY. To me, this means SLIGHTLY reducing the amount sent overseas, and MORE spent on people who actually know how to spend it best.

How about the Ukip plan of scrapping non-essential aid and retaining a budget of £1bn to £2bn which would be spent only on disaster relief with the armed forces likely to organise this? It seems sensible to me, and is certainly better than going to the Indian Space Programme.

HS2 - I wish it could be cheaper, but unfortunately in this country building infrastructure is bloody expensive. However, seeing as you live in Liverpool, I guess you don't understand the absolute nightmare that any minor infrastructure and maintenance issues cause commuters on a daily basis. Upgrading all of our railways would take decades, and I - along with millions of other British people - cannot deal with decades of railway delays which are an absolute certainty if we rebuild all of our existing railways.

Actually I travel from Liverpool/Lancashire to the other side of Yorkshire on almost a weekly basis, and I know how bad services are on the Yorkshire side. On the Lancashire side though, they're pretty good and up here we're using very old trains compared to all the investment down south. But do I think we should splurge cash on the supposed privatised railways when we have a huge national debt? No. Do I think £50bn for a railway line that is completely pointless (HS2) is a sensible use of money? No.

The Climate Change Act is not just about wind turbines (can't stand them, by the way, absolute eye sore). But I do not think reversing action on climate change is a smart decision either.

Any money spent on battling global warming climate change by this country is literally tilting at windmills or pissing in the wind. India and China are going to continue to vastly expand with a large rise in carbon emissions, and us spending £18bn a year on subsidies to rich landowners for having wind turbines on their land is absurd. It may make you feel good, but it is utterly pointless: and we haven't got the money to make us feel good.

At least the Conservatives have had five years of influence since 1997, and nine years since 1993. That would be nine years more than UKIP, and it may well soon be even more than that.

Little point in having influence if you do exactly the same as the government you replaced.

The Conservative Party is on her last legs and only held in place by the voting system and its twin rotting party. Time to take out the corpse.

[Firehorse]

What sort of business picks a British person over a better qualified EU citizen just for being... British? :L

A business that has a conscience for the betterment of the local area? To help local people get work and therefore help the local economy? Stop high local unemployment rates and therefore reducing crime and social problems in the area?

Migrants are needed to fill the GAPS in the job market, not fill places that locals are perfectly capable of doing.

Why don't you migrate to India/America/France/Spain/Morocco/Poland/Russia/*insert 180 further countries here* and take a job as a train station platform attendant, or perhaps a street sweeper, or warehouse labour, or maybe a postal worker. If you took any such type of low skilled work in ANY of these countries you would be seen as taking a job that could be done by a local, which in turn may put a local out of work, you would not be welcomed to do that type of work.

In fact I don't think you would even EXPECT to be given such a job in any other country if they had locals out of work that could more than easily fill the available roles. I certainly don't expect to be able to get up and relocate to Greece/Italy/Iceland/Mexico/Switzerland/Norway to become a shelf stacker, I'd be told to shove it and the job would be given to a local.

Charity starts at home, look after your own first.

where is this funding coming from?

Have you overlooked the fact that the manifesto has been independently verified by an economic think tank? And have you actually read the document? I assume you haven't or you wouldn't be asking such questions.

I could ask where all this extra money is coming from that Labour want to spend, they've said they want to spend tens of billions more but the cuts they've announced don't even add up to one billion.

[Okeanos]

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i cant wait for UKIP to get hardly any seats (will they even get 1???). will you cry -:Undertaker:-? also, re your avatar, the stars on the EU flag dont represent countries.... :rolleyes: