BBC 'exposed' over left-wing debate audience, says Ukip

[FlyingJesus]

I support audiences of major televised debates being representative of the British public in terms of opinion, that's right.

Which they were, as has been pointed out. Your utterly ridiculous and out-of-touch notion that everyone except for the members of this forum agrees with you even in the face of all evidence to the contrary is rather frustrating and smacks of such fanaticism that it really feels like talking to a Scientologist. You are not in any way a spokesperson for "the people" any more than the views of a cuckoo are representative of the wishes of a thrush. All that you're really saying in this thread is that you need people to pat you on the back for being a complete bigot at all times of the day

[-:Undertaker:-]

Seems like a load of moaning and ******** because he lost the debate.

The poll after the debate had him a close third, with him topping the immigration and defence questions by a large margin.

He may have lost the debate with that audience, but that is what we're talking about really isn't it.

Which they were, as has been pointed out.

So if there were 8 left-wing parties which polled 50% of the national vote between them and 2 right-wing parties which also polled 50% of the national vote between them, you'd say it would be fair to have 80% of the audience left wing and the 20% of the audience as right wing?

Your utterly ridiculous and out-of-touch notion that everyone except for the members of this forum agrees with you even in the face of all evidence to the contrary is rather frustrating and smacks of such fanaticism that it really feels like talking to a Scientologist. You are not in any way a spokesperson for "the people" any more than the views of a cuckoo are representative of the wishes of a thrush. All that you're really saying in this thread is that you need people to pat you on the back for being a complete bigot at all times of the day

I love how when you disagree with me on something, you either twist it completely (like you just did in the other thread claiming I wanted immigration stopped completely) because you know you'll lose and look silly OR you start disputing things like polls on public opinion from respected pollsters because they don't fit your world view. The fact is that I am in the majority on immigration, the EU and foreign aid.

You speak as though I can't accept different opinions, yet I can (unlike you) because I have admitted a gazillion times I am not with the majority of the British public on issues such as the NHS and how the railways are run. Now why can't you do the same for your love of open borders?

[GommeInc]

I thought they were pretty equal. You could tell from the reaction they were. Nigel got applause for a lot of the things he said, as did the others. That said, he was the only right-wing politician out of the lot so any applause is pretty impressive, especially for what apparently was a left-wing audience.

[FlyingJesus]

So if there were 8 left-wing parties which polled 50% of the national vote between them and 2 right-wing parties which also polled 50% of the national vote between them, you'd say it would be fair to have 80% of the audience left wing and the 20% of the audience as right wing?

Could be whatever ratio the first 200 people who turn up happen to be, since the speakers should be capable of answering whatever questions are put to them and should welcome the opportunity to debate a point rather than just have everyone whistle and clap like at a party AGM or something. Also the notion that any of the parties are truly left or right these days is hugely laughable

I love how when you disagree with me on something, you either twist it completely (like you just did in the other thread claiming I wanted immigration stopped completely) because you know you'll lose and look silly OR you start disputing things like polls on public opinion from respected pollsters because they don't fit your world view.

I pointed out quite clearly in that thread what was meant by that point (with citation) and I dispute the value of polls whatever they show because they do just what you're complaining about in this very thread - taking a tiny number of people from a specific area and pretending that it's the entire country. Your hypocrisy is hilarious

The fact is that I am in the majority on immigration, the EU and foreign aid.

Nope, still haven't proved this and have been shown otherwise, but you ignored all of that in order to attack semantics and move on to completely different points

Now why can't you do the same for your love of open borders?

Dunno what you're on about, I don't love open borders. Never have said so, have often told you that I don't, and yet you still insist that anyone who points out your lunacy must be an EU loving communist

[-:Undertaker:-]

What is the point of copying and pasting links on social attitudes to you Tom when everytime I do, all you can do it turn around and say that the pollsters are wrong and that 1,000 voters isn't representative of the entire country when we know that polls, weightings and demographics are pretty accurate.

I know the majority are for controlled immigration and you only have to look at how Farage has the mainstream leaders scared witless to see they know it too.

[FlyingJesus]

Polls are totes accurate that's why the results of them change all the time according to what week you take them, who asks the questions, and who they ask *+*+*+* if I took 50 polls with different results all the time I too could say that I was right about one of them. Good job agaiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiin avoiding all of the real points though, true champion

[-:Undertaker:-]

Polls are totes accurate that's why the results of them change all the time according to what week you take them, who asks the questions, and who they ask *+*+*+* if I took 50 polls with different results all the time I too could say that I was right about one of them. Good job agaiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiin avoiding all of the real points though, true champion

Polls are usually accurate, thats right.

That's why pollsters are making millions every year and you're sat here on HxF arguing with me.

Could be whatever ratio the first 200 people who turn up happen to be

That just goes to show how you don't understand polling.

Ever heard of weightings? If you went into the wealthy shires and said the first 100 people through the door in an elderly village were your audience, that wouldn't be representative of the audience and they'd all probably support the Conservatives and be socially conservative. That isn't a mirror of the UK.

[FlyingJesus]

Why are you using my response about seating in a TV show to talk about how polls work? That's extremely disingenuous of you, even slanderous frankly

And most polls cannot ever be proven right because they happen in the middle of nothing. The only polls that can ever be shown a proper or improper representation of the polls of the 99% that haven't been asked anything would be ones taken on the same day as a vote, and would therefore be totally pointless as the votes themselves would show what people think

[-:Undertaker:-]

BBC has all of a sudden decided to give Farage his own programme just as they are with Cameron, Miliband and Clegg.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/politi...-Question-Time
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2015-32360958

Victory for Ukip: BBC backs down and gives Farage his own TV show after debate fix row

THE BBC has backed down and given Ukip leader Nigel Farage his own TV slot to answer audience questions amid allegations that yesterday's debate was fixed.

He will take audience questions in a 30-minute programme called Election 2015: Ask Nigel Farage.

The discussion, held in Birmingham, will air after the News at 10 and will be chaired by journalist Jo Coburn.

It will be held at the same time as a Question Time special featuring the Tory, Labour and Liberal Democrat leaders who will take turns answering questions from the same audience in Leeds.

A Ukip insider raised questions over the timing of the announcement from the BBC amid a growing bias storm engulfing the broadcaster.

On hearing the news that Farage will get his own 30-minute broadcast, a party spokesman said: "Nigel Farage is delighted to accept the BBC's invitation to once again engage with the British public."

In Scotland, SNP leader Nicola Sturgeon will face a similar programme in Glasgow, chaired by Glen Campbell.

Meanwhile Leanne Wood, the Plaid Cymru leader, will do the same in Cardiff.

All of the programmes will be broadcast on Thursday April 30 - exactly one week before polling day.

[FlyingJesus]

Not actually to do with his tantrum at all since it's being given to the other smaller parties too, and it's nothing to do with "backing down" since it was never requested and denied in the first place. Let's not sensationalise absolutely everything and call it a victory when it's playing second fiddle to the actual QT show lol